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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855645
04/29/23 07:25 AM
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I think they are fur trapping.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: Boco] #7855662
04/29/23 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If you dont have registered lines how do you have exclusive rights to the resource?


Down here competition is a part of trapping. We accept and embrace that. This situation is different it’s a David and Goliath scenario and Goliath doesn’t stop. Goliath gots deep pockets.

A roadside beaver during dispersal is not a problem in the days and weeks after breakup. Once they settle in and become a problem then deal with them.

They treat every beaver as a nuisance and a threat. Frankly beaver belong on the landscape even in trout streams.

Imagine if they shot deer during season.

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855671
04/29/23 08:17 AM
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That’s what happens when folks want them efficient with the money. A lot easier killing at roadside in preventable manner than having to go back in the bush 2 miles to get them.

But I am not sure calling and having remove the traps during season solves much. It just forces them to clear another stretch completely out.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855672
04/29/23 08:20 AM
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It would be more efficient for them to wait and see if they caused a problem somewhere before they spent money trying to eradicate them.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855707
04/29/23 09:25 AM
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It usually comes down to .. Who you know....and much ego you possess... then you can step on any fellow trapper you want.

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855724
04/29/23 09:45 AM
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As far as i know they don't skin any beaver. They are frozen and put up for bids. Just think of all the otter they catch while beaver trapping. I was told the otter that are caught are turned Into the DNR and we skin them and the proceeds go into Trappers ed.
A month ago we skinned about 60 some otter I don't know If all of them were WLS otter.
I have had some major Issues wit WLS when I trapped In SC.
They do keep the castor. I'm told they use It for lure.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: The Beav] #7855734
04/29/23 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
As far as i know they don't skin any beaver. They are frozen and put up for bids. Just think of all the otter they catch while beaver trapping. I was told the otter that are caught are turned Into the DNR and we skin them and the proceeds go into Trappers ed.
A month ago we skinned about 60 some otter I don't know If all of them were WLS otter.
I have had some major Issues wit WLS when I trapped In SC.
They do keep the castor. I'm told they use It for lure.


I don’t see how this could be legal as per their directive as it is written.

If you want to get the inside workings of usdaws send a pm to Widlife2. He has been fighting them on the national level.
It may take some time for him to get back to you.
There also a long thread in the adc forum.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855740
04/29/23 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by Boco
If you dont have registered lines how do you have exclusive rights to the resource?


Down here competition is a part of trapping. We accept and embrace that. This situation is different it’s a David and Goliath scenario and Goliath doesn’t stop. Goliath gots deep pockets.

A roadside beaver during dispersal is not a problem in the days and weeks after breakup. Once they settle in and become a problem then deal with them.

They treat every beaver as a nuisance and a threat. Frankly beaver belong on the landscape even in trout streams.

Imagine if they shot deer during season.



You dont own the beaver-suck it up.
Trapping beaver in spring after breakup is extremely effective in eliminating/minimizing nuisance beaver problems later on.
On a registered line you can harm your line by trapping too much in the spring.

Last edited by Boco; 04/29/23 10:32 AM.

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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: DVinke] #7855743
04/29/23 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DVinke
Originally Posted by Dirt
I'd call the USDA and tell them you don't support CRP. smile


I have never heard of government trapping crp unless they are employed by the land owner.
Whey work for many for government, and association like
Cattlemens and others
They manly do birds in my area in WA because we out performed them on beaver and the WDFW stated giving us deer permits.
It was costing the drainage districts, dot, county 600- 800 per beaver until we steps in, now it is only 300.
Get a nwco lic and start making calls. Put pressure on their business.

There is a non competition order in their directive.

I had one pulling my colony traps out of un blocked converts during the last upswing in prices.
That did not work very well for him.

My wife snuck up on a USDA employee using a tennis racket to kill bird in a m style starling trap.
Still got the video if the want to play.

They are hard to complete with on shooting coyotes or birds unless you live in a town that the sheriff knows you qualified.

My favorite call “that guy on the 4th floor is me if someone called in a active shooter” but do it before starting.


My point is the USDA counts on the hook and bullet ( sportsmen) lobby to support crp so the price support program can be considered not mainly a pay farmers not to grow food program which is unconstitutional. A little shot across the bow.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855769
04/29/23 11:16 AM
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I want some of those signs!!......jk


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: Boco] #7855815
04/29/23 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco

You dont own the beaver-suck it up.
Trapping beaver in spring after breakup is extremely effective in eliminating/minimizing nuisance beaver problems later on.
On a registered line you can harm your line by trapping too much in the spring.


No but I buy a license and pay my taxes.

This ain’t Canadian wilderness. this country is cut up with many roads.

Just think what would happen if you have the trapper population working on them in season and the government boys following all summer. Could that stress them? WS trapping travelers alongside residents is BS. Love to send them up to Ontario

Last edited by nimzy; 04/29/23 01:24 PM.
Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: keets] #7855843
04/29/23 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by keets
Originally Posted by 52Carl
They trap whenever they are called upon to prevent damage to property, livestock, or threat to human health and safety.
They are required to obtain written permission from the landowner which includes methods used and species to be targeted.
If they are trapping on land which you have permission to trap on, you need to talk to that landowner.



NEGATIVE ON ALL THAT

I don't believe that you have any idea what you are talking about. Either that, or you have an outlaw posing as USDA.

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855921
04/29/23 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by Boco

You dont own the beaver-suck it up.
Trapping beaver in spring after breakup is extremely effective in eliminating/minimizing nuisance beaver problems later on.
On a registered line you can harm your line by trapping too much in the spring.


No but I buy a license and pay my taxes.

This ain’t Canadian wilderness. this country is cut up with many roads.

Just think what would happen if you have the trapper population working on them in season and the government boys following all summer. Could that stress them? WS trapping travelers alongside residents is BS. Love to send them up to Ontario


Did they set traps on top of you where you were trapping already?
Or are you just disgruntled because the early bird got the worm?

I have trapped as an agent for many years on other peoples registered lines.I called ALL the trappers beforehand to let them know where the nuisance problems were so they could take them during the open season.
If they choose to leave them there for any reason,they were told they would be removed by someone else.

Interestingly,I have had beaver removed from my own line by nuisance beaver control agents more than once-I have no problem with it-they now own those beaver,I wont waste time going there.

Last edited by Boco; 04/29/23 04:25 PM.

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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7855953
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Apples and oranges no comparison

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856014
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Nimzy, I experienced the same thing on my short line this spring in northern WI...USDA trapper at 4 of my stops. My impression is they are not allowed trap/compete directly during the open season.

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856066
04/29/23 08:30 PM
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I found those signs on my cat line, one call to the trapper and the traps were pulled. Have to admit I now work for wildlife services. And they DO NOT TRAP willy nilly. They address wildlife problems. Who determines what is a problem is another story.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856090
04/29/23 08:59 PM
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Teal, I was under the same impression but the last few years I have seen them trapping during open season and not on trout streams or where there is damage. Something must have changed somewhere.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856092
04/29/23 09:01 PM
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Get ahold of Aphis manager for your area, see what rules he supposedly goes by.


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Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856180
04/29/23 11:09 PM
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I have never heard of the WTA taking up a position on this

Re: Thought this wasnt suppose to happen [Re: nimzy] #7856187
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Probably going to have them in numerous public spaces in New Mexico… seeing how they made it illegal to trap on public land there…now it’s going to cost the taxpayers for the same thing that they were getting for free.


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