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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858180
05/02/23 07:54 PM
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its all supply and demand....wait and see how big next year supply is going to be.....hatter market is normally shallow but with this new trend who knows..

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wallfur] #7858182
05/02/23 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wallfur
its all supply and demand....wait and see how big next year supply is going to be.....hatter market is normally shallow but with this new trend who knows..


Sounds like a lot of supply coming.


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858184
05/02/23 08:01 PM
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The cost of living is $20 average on green beaver really good? No itís not. You are losing money.

Last edited by blackhammer; 05/02/23 08:03 PM.

Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858189
05/02/23 08:09 PM
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But, they aren't losing it as fast !! LOL


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: blackhammer] #7858193
05/02/23 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by blackhammer
The cost of living is $20 average on green beaver really good? No itís not. You are losing money.


I keep saying this. Guys will never get it. You could do one nuisance beaver job and make more $$$ than a guy who fur traps 50 beaver.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858195
05/02/23 08:22 PM
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Yeah well it's fun.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: Steven 49er] #7858199
05/02/23 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Yeah well it's fun.


LOL until itís not .


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858202
05/02/23 08:28 PM
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That takes about twenty minutes, while everybody is trapping beaver i'm going back to the Detroit River.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: Steven 49er] #7858215
05/02/23 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
That takes about twenty minutes, while everybody is trapping beaver i'm going back to the Detroit River.


My Michigander buddies are always rubbing in the quick limits of massive walleyes over there and Saginaw Bay! Gotta get over there sometimeÖ.. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858217
05/02/23 08:51 PM
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I was there 3 weeks ago Scott, it was nothing short of phenomenal.

Going back Thursday.


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858222
05/02/23 09:00 PM
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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858277
05/02/23 10:46 PM
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Is there some reason you cant fur trap and trap nuisance also where you live?
I do both,fur in season and nuisance out of season.
Make money doing both.Higher return or nuisance but also higher expense.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: proratman] #7858583
05/03/23 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by proratman
Don't hold your breath. Look what happened to the coyote market in just one season.

That's true, most market's go down faster than they go up. But look at the 10-12 run we had with coyotes, western heavies averaging over $100 some years. Beaver today are in the thirties, and could be headed up a good way from that.

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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: 160user] #7858586
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Originally Posted by 160user
Originally Posted by walleye101
It's already running out of steam in these parts as the carcass buyers have lowered their prices. I doubt it is due to any real market adjustment, but they are getting swamped with carcass beaver. Traps at every road crossing around here.


Maybe it is because it is nearing the end of the season and they are starting to get bit up?

Bit up has nothing to do with it for the hatter market, except for the mid winter high quality shearing goods, and at $48-$60 at FHA they still aren't quite high enough to get trappers in the north to chop holes through ice and produce numbers. If buyers are getting overloaded with carcass beaver it may mean they have difficulty putting them up before they begin to spoil. OR, they are lowering the price because they can, good capitalists!

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: Boco] #7858591
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Originally Posted by Boco
The top end is still garment market.
Those skins will see a nice spike in the near future I bet.

If we can jump FHA's blanket basis from $48-$60 today and next year see $80 USD select blankets again I think we'll see under ice beaver trappers again. I'm optimistic and kind of enthused.

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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858612
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Originally Posted by Boco
The top end is still garment market.
Those skins will see a nice spike in the near future I bet.

If we can jump FHA's blanket basis from $48-$60 today and next year see $80 USD select blankets again I think we'll see under ice beaver trappers again. I'm optimistic and kind of enthused.


Dream big. Trappers south of me will never let beaver get to a buck an inch.


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858651
05/03/23 02:59 PM
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Hate to admit it but Dirt is absolutely correct. If averages get to .70 per inch the market will be flooded. After that demand will rule.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: 080808] #7858666
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How far down is the harvest from 1980 levels?

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: blackhammer] #7858687
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Originally Posted by blackhammer
The cost of living is $20 average on green beaver really good? No itís not. You are losing money.


I did 142 in a week, consisting of about 45 hours worth of work on the side while working full time. A buddy of mine will get near 500 while working full time. Money is being made for the first time in a long time on Minnesota traplines.


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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: mike mason] #7858703
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Originally Posted by mike mason
How far down is the harvest from 1980 levels?

In 1980 I was working at HBC Montreal and buyers like Ben Kahn, Revillon, and Scheflin-Reich along with brokers like Sam Levin were buying big. Hudson's Bay that year sold 1,237,000 beaver pelts through the auction and private treaty. That didn't include Canadian brokers like Murray Lippman, among many others. I don't know what Ontario Trappers sold then but it was a LOT more than today. I'd guess 1980 beaver pelt sales at 2.5-3 million pelts. FHA this year along with Groenewold and assorted buyers may be 7 - 8% of 1980's take, assuming Groeny buys and sells as much as FHA. I'm an optimist for the next 3-5 years, then fashion may change.

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