What did everyone decide to do?

Not much time left to decide.

I'll likely give the ATF the middle finger. I don't travel far from the farm with the allegedly offending weapons and have my own gun range. I doubt our Sheriff or game warden would give a flip--and they tend to leave me alone anyway. Conversely, I am already on the list with suppressors so the ATF is well aware that I exist.

The only reason to Form 1 the "pistols" would be to not complicate life for my sons when I'm dead. They can however figure it out then. I will suggest in the Will that they just smile and keep their mouths shut.

Curious what y'all are doing.

P.S. Hi ATF!

I legitimately don't have any of em probably not a good idea to post if you do. Even if this mess does get shutdown by the courts

I'm aware. I'm also aware that they already know I own them.

I’m guessing a restriction was placed on AR pistol braces?

Never interested me. Never bought one. FWIW im the side of those telling ATF to pound sand

A free man is beholden to nobody's will except his own, so do what you want, with the knowledge that historically, registration leads to confiscation.

From what I see it looks like you send them everything they need for an air tight prosecution for something they said was legal for years. Just to save $200 on each tax stamp. To me it makes more since to file a traditional form 1 to sbr them.


Ballistics stink with short barrels.. I build a braces pistol in 300 blackout for my younger son when he was 7 for its adjustability, low recoil, and it meet our goofy rules for caliber restrictions for hunting public land but only becustle it is considered a pistol. Make it a rifle length or call it a sbr it is not legal. All rifled on public land must be 35cal and 16" barrel or longer. So I no longer have a use for that upper.

I can pin and weld a suppressor to the upper making it over 16" remove the brace and roll with the bare buffer tube, get rid of the upper and replace with 16" 350 legend, or file a traditional form 1, the upper could also be removed and stored at a different location.

300 black out works with a 8.5" and taken several deer but there are better calibers. Since I have no actual use for it after this rule change I will remove the upper and sell it replacing with a 16" 350 legend. I just wish I didn't use the highest end parts on it. Changing the barrel and gas tube would be the cheapest route. But I will likely just buy a different upper.

This will not stand unless they manage to get Thomas to resign and they are working on that now.
A bill was also introduced to ban suppressors recently.

If the ban holds up and you need a stamp tax for each individual gun the value will rise in the future on those guns. The real value in the class III NFA guns IS the paperwork really by allowing you to own and transfer that weapon. A $18 to make GM headlight Co grease gun from WWII is worth thousands of dollars if has the paperwork to go along with it without that paperwork a guy thinks twice before firing it.

Let’s hope it does not come to NFA act status and it gets dropped it looks like that might happen. I don’t need a bunch of people saying what I did not say here like is often the case, he’s for the ban. Just reporting the advantage of having the paperwork if it does come about is all I’m saying I’m NOT pro stamp tax! LOL

I believe a lot of Class III weapons are seen as a investment just by the amount they have increased over the years, a DIAS ( drop in auto sear) was $4,000 20 years ago the last time I checked it cost $20,000 to own one.

If they are classified as AOW (any other weapon) the stamp would be minimal and not the $200 tax fee. Go to sub-guns.com for some interesting reading about how the NFA world works.

put a new barrel on one, and stock , I had been thinking of making it 16 inches to play in PCC competitions any way so I just did it
pcc is primarily a range toy with not a huge practical value other than fun and training I didn't want to have to file a form 20 for every out of state competition I ever went to.
although PCC is fun to run some times , I am really not a PCC competition guy .

others disassembled and relocated parts far away out of my possession until this is properly run through the courts

seriously contemplating form 1 , but the "free" form one even if they didn't use the trap they are setting , it isn't worth it 200 is less than an hour of attorney time and we are learning even with overwhelming evidence you don't win federal court on the first go round with the ATF , maybe on the appeal.

so if I form1 then it will be the old fashion apply and wait for the tax stamp before building

Seditionis tyrannis est obedientia voluntati Dei

The big advantage to that firearm, or a short barreled rifle - is when you put a suppressor on them. They arent so long. They make a great truck or sxs gun because of ease of handling

we hear form every agency how they need their PDWs personal defensive weapon(s) , a SBR by another name , for agent safety , security , they write very nice papers about their need

well if agencies all need them , we need them at least till LEOs can get there with theirs to secure things and we can put them away again.

every federal gun law ever passed violates the 2nd and 10 amendments. every state gun law ever passed violates the 2nd amendment and goes against the supreme court decision of marbury vs. madison. if nobody complies, then what?

A machine gun on the registry has gone up in value so much becuse you can not add any more transferable machine guns to the registry it closed may 1 1986.

Sbr, sbs, aow, and supressor can still be added to the registry and produced every day. They do not go up in value becuse there is not a limited amount available. Infact supressors are not worth selling used.

Braces?

We don't need no stinking braces.

your absolutely right we should just have stocks , we should have SBR no different than a pistol for terms of ownership and no illegal taxes on them solely intended to block/reduce ownership.

and most certainly an agency shouldn't publish letters on specific approvals of tested example devices for a decade and then one day up and say we were wrong for the last decade , forget all the letters and approvals we wrote , we changed our minds with 0.00 legislation and 30million people now need to comply with our change of mind.

Well said.

Atf is an entrapment agency. Part of an out of control fed govt.

and besides, the ATF is a non elected agency, they can not make "laws" they can establish rules, you can not be arrested for breaking rules. Congress makes laws.

rules or regulations have the force of law. speeding isnt a violation of law its a violation of a regulation. atf with things like pistol braces are not changing regulation or rules they are changing definitions. by changing the definition of a pistol brace they now make a pistol into a short barreled rifle. where that authority comes from i have no idea. like lincolns emancipation proclamation there is no law or constitutional ammendment that gives a president that kind of authority. they do it enough though people forget that fact. many many many people believe a president can proclaim something into law. today its called executive order. different name but a royal decree is just a royal decree. something our ancestors fought to free us from.