And to add to that last post, the after market companies are selling a plug in chip to the code reader that stops the egg sucker from cutting back to 4 cylinders. Makes it run 8 cylinders all the time so it doesn’t cut the oil pressure back. 30 dollar fix to prevent a huge repair bill. Whood a thunk it.

Sometimes a moron can out-smart an engineer. Apparently, that vehicle was previously owned by one.

$2800.00 for extended warranty with $100.00 deductible on my 2015 Silverado with 26,000 miles. 1st. Repair was a plugged heater core, and it was mid winter, and cost me $100.00 and bill was $2900.00. Then there was the transfer case, $100.00, fuel pump 2X, currently A/C condenser and a code. Extended warranty was the best money I ever spent or by now the truck would have gone back!

Now I know why I love my 67 chevy truck. I can actually see the motor.

I know I'm not buying a chevy now. Lol. Thanks for the info.

Service is where I go and ford sucks here!

Funny, cause with all the new engines and technology, the engineers designed motors that are inferior to the old 5.3 Lm7 vortec from the early 2000's.

Interesting. Go ahead and explain.

Mile for mile the lm7 vortec will outlast these new motors . Hands down.

Maybe. I really don't have any data on longevity. I don't doubt it, though. After all it is a cast iron block that weighs 100 lbs more. I suspect it was scrubbed for efficiency.

I wouldn't hesitate to drop one in an offroad truck, with a few mods, cam especially, though.

But for a stock engine in a current production model, way too clunky.

No lifter problems from a crappy active fuel management design like the newer engines either. I've dealt with a lot of engineers that aren't to bright in my days. These problems with the newer engines are not completely their fault though. If it weren't for the epa and stricter regulations, we'd still have a normal full time v8 engine.

The oil pumps on newer engines are driven by the crankshaft because there's no distributor to drive an oil pump anymore. Less moving parts=generally more reliable.

Pics please

while the ability to make a better engine is currently at hand manufacturers are making poorer quality engines using poor quality materials (plastic) all in the name lighter weight and less cost.

The ability to make vehicles cheaper is more important than making them better.
But not cheaper as in at a lower price but cheaper as in poor quality.

And yet we have the average price of a new pickup around 60K.

The American consumer is partly to blame for this as they constantly want more bells and whistles and have been willing to pay in the past when money was easier to get.

The Manufactures have figured out that making a less expensive vehicle is not in their best interest so they no longer offer stripped down vehicles only ones that are loaded with unnecessary equipment.

Myself, I'm done with new vehicles, the next one I get will be older and thus simpler. Its to the point that one can buy an older vehicle and go thru it bringing all the operating systems up to snuff for way less than new.
And on top of it it will last longer than any new vehicle will.

Exactly. Still waiting on how shutting down 4 cylinders lowers oil pressure?

Oh yes Just throwing it out there. I think 2019 or 20 was last year for fuel management systems. Now it’s start stop like golf cart unless you push button to turn it off

I know I don't miss the "good old days" of 175 horsepower trucks that made 8 or 10 or 12 mpg, rode like a buckboard wagon and wouldn't go around a turn well.

No "Ford, Chevy, Dodge" shouting match here. But I do have 2 Chevy 1500's.

2009 5.3 (285 hp) with a 4 speed auto. No fuel management. Has 192K on it and I have more maintenance money in the door latch assemblies than anything else. Just changed out the original spark plugs at 190K and they really didn't appear to even need it. Makes 15 mpg on 33" tires and sill doesn't use a quart of Dexos between 5K mile changes.

2018 5.3 (355 hp) with a 6 speed auto. Fuel management. Has 86K on it and will make a whisker over 24 mpg on the highway. 21.5 mpg tooling around the west PA rolling hills.

I ain't bellyaching.