Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I normally do not support an anti's effort to curtail removal of nuisance animals, but the WI DNR/USDA policy of removing every beaver from an entire trout stream and its tributaries has always troubled me. I have seen the benefits of beaver dams on some small trout streams during low water times. Beaver dams are excellent habitat for a variety of species. It might be a good time for WI DNR to re-evaluate their beaver program.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I normally do not support an anti's effort to curtail removal of nuisance animals, but the WI DNR/USDA policy of removing every beaver from an entire trout stream and its tributaries has always troubled me. I have seen the benefits of beaver dams on some small trout streams during low water times. Beaver dams are excellent habitat for a variety of species. It might be a good time for WI DNR to re-evaluate their beaver program. I disagree, beaver may benefit trout on small streams for the short term, but over the long term they will destroy the water quality, shade integrity and thus the brook trout. The once thriving brook trout habitat on tributaries of NY’s , Salmon River and East Branch of Fish Creek here on the Tug Hill Plateau support my statement.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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Don't laugh, Maryland has hosted the national BEAVERCON the last few years,and beavers have a friend in high places here. They aren’t up early enough in the morning to know what happens to them. They probably think the coyotes and bobcats that they brought here are getting them.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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Keep them where they have little affect on people and the food supply. We don’t need fields to be water front property. Which is what happens when those dams kill the trees and natural foliage between the fields and small tributaries.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I normally do not support an anti's effort to curtail removal of nuisance animals, but the WI DNR/USDA policy of removing every beaver from an entire trout stream and its tributaries has always troubled me. I have seen the benefits of beaver dams on some small trout streams during low water times. Beaver dams are excellent habitat for a variety of species. It might be a good time for WI DNR to re-evaluate their beaver program. I agree…they don’t need to be eradicated, just managed. But you can bet that the anti group won’t be happy even with a legit management plan. The part that gets me the most is USDA setting for traveling beaver during dispersal. This shows their intent is elimination and not targeting specific damage locations. Why not let them disperse and trap the newly established colonies that are in true damage prone areas like roadways, ATV trails, etc. What makes a trout trump a beaver?
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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The wealthy trout fishermen. I'm not sure on the monetary amount but I heard Trout Unlimited donates big bucks to The WDNR to keep trout streams beaver free. Yes the USDA kills a lot of Incidental otter while killing beaver but they aren't going to waste. They are turned Into the DNR and In turn are put up by trappers and sold and the money goes Into Trapper Ed. I'm sure they all don't make It to our skinning knives but most do. I know that the beaver are saved minus the castor and put up for bids. I'm betting most beaver don't make It to the road.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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[quote=8117 Steve R]What makes a trout trump a beaver? $$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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The only reason to trap travellers leaving a problem area would be eradicate them. If the goal is so that they never move back into the area total eradication would work. I am not in favor of it, but it looks like that is the goal.
Steve WTA NRA
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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By only targeting the dispersal beaver your not dealing with the established colony. You can't eliminate the beaver that way. Only keep them In check.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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Once again the Libturd Idiots just want to screw things up.
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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By only targeting the dispersal beaver your not dealing with the established colony. You can't eliminate the beaver that way. Only keep them In check. Beav, what I have seen is they are not only trapping the established colony, they are trapping the dispersal route also.
Steve WTA NRA
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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Is the USDA just targeting beaver problems on trout streams on public land? We have a decent public land trout stream just south of me. We take a few beaver off It every year. This last spring It was dammed up and the DNR sent In the back hoe crew to remove It. But as far as I know no USDA trappers were trapping It and we took 7 beaver off It. The established colony Is about a mile or so up stream. We never trap that colony we are farming those beaver. Do you think the USDA might also be farming beaver on some of these streams.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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For the record, I strenuously opposed the creation of the current program in northern meetings. We had a superb beaver population across the north and DNR management at the time was by permitting local beaver trappers to remove problem beaver under contract(at that time 25.00 per adult animal removed). The progam targeted mainly beaver blocking class 1 trout streams and was quite small with few animals killed. Fisheries was not satisfied with the program and our old buddy Olson was deeply involved and orally combatted with me in Northern hearings. This entire charade was just another DNR ploy as the decision to bring in the feds was already determined. The feds participated in the meetings and were very careful in describing the limitations of their proposed program BUT they do exactly as they are told by DNR and the DNR feedback for what, 35 years ?, has been continuously to kill more beaver. The best of the fed beaver guys may be the best beaver killers ever. I knpw several who have killed over 10.000 beaver between their seasonal APHIS jobs and their private winter trapping. If they set for your beaver it is dead.
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