Why go through all the drama when the Chicoms are getting most of what they want without fighting...?

As for the Ukies "sending the Russians packing", hippie, you really need to stop sniffing the MSM airplane glue. In the grand AFU counter offensive since the first week of June, the Ukies have taken another 35,000+ casualties, have gotten half of the U.S. Bradleys and have the operational German Leopards blown up without breaking through one main Russian defensive line.I think an overall 500,000 dead or maimed/made unfit for further combat Ukrainian soldiers might tell you another story about "sending the Russians packing".

But what do I know, I'm just a Putin bootlicker...

P.S. Let me tell you a little story that I've observed over the past year or so-- and I get paid to observe various things. Our internet browser at work is a Microsoft product, so anytime I want to look something up on-line, the search screen is showing MSN news tidbits. From last summer until around early May this year, anytime I went onto the browser, there would be a revolving carousel of current news stories from various sources such as Newsweek, Business Insider, Forbes, etc. During that period of time, about half of revolving stories would be that the Ukies were "winning" and the Russians were "losing". Without fail. Day after day. Now, the MSN revolving stories is mostly celebrity gossip (a lot of younger "celebrities" are dying for "various" reasons) and almost no news stories about the war in Ukraine. Hmmmm....I wonder what caused the change...???

Vietnam was plenty for me wars dont make a lot of sense and no one really wins. But Im guessing the next big one will be the last not because we got smart, we just wont be here.

I knew you'd like that statement and jump on it like stink on a ...........

I guess you and I are just predictable...

hippie, do you have a favorite adult beverage...?

Perhaps you and I can do a little wager in where the front lines will be say October 1?? I suspect they won't be nearly the same and it will be the Ukies that have given up a lot more ground.

The Ukies,to date have taken back half of what the Russians originally held of Ukranean territory.
They are close to getting warplanes,their training is near completed,once delivered the bumbling Russians will be in chaos.More than what they already are,lol.
The only thing the Russians are good at is bombing civilians.

The British,during the Falklands war took the surrender of Argentina in 74 days,and they had to go halfway around the globe to do it.
The Russians cant even defeat a country with no air force right on their border,and have lost ground over the past year and a half.
Just goes to show you the difference in a professional army compared to Putins clowns,lol.

No bet from me, I, like alot of folks here that will admit it thought Russia was much stronger and would take Ukraine in days to a week.

What I've been saying on these threads is Russia is alot weaker than I expected, and that rubs people wrong for some reason? When the column Russia had assembled on the outskirts of the capital was repelled, is when I started rethinking things.

I also still think Russia needs stopped.

I never see anyone post about Russian losses. 10k, 50k?

In the end, its gonna depend on if we stop backing Ukraine or Iran/China stop backing Russia.

Incorrect. You obviously haven't looked much at the maps of the line of contact over time. Much of the territory retaken in the grand AFU Karkov area counteroffensive last September has been reversed by the Russians. The southern front where the AFU has loss at least half of the American Bradleys and the German built Leopard tanks they've essential made no gains this summer.



Yeah, the the F-16s are the next western wonder weapon that will fail when introduced. Why do people think a 40-year old platform, even with upgrades, is going to be a game changer against an integrated air defense system that has barely broken a sweat? The Rus have shot down the Ukrainian air force twice and now have basically taken out the AFU's air defense systems-- hearing any more about Patriot batteries in Ukie land? That's because the few batteries that were sent have either been destroyed or withdrawn because western leaders didn't want to see them totally annihilated.

Boco, why has there been so much feet dragging by the American government to give the Ukie F-16s or M-1 Abrams tanks? Because the American government leaders don't want to answer questions about them being destroyed, although the MSM has done a good job keeping the lid on how bad the Bradleys have been mauled this summer. The British Challengers have not been seen in the Ukie summer counteroffensive that has basically gone nowhere. Did the Brits not want to see their tanks wasted, although the massive ammo dump strike in May in central Ukraine appears to have had all of the Challenger DU ammo that had been sent.The British are more fixated on Crimea, with the latest little adventure of using a slow moving British torpedo-like drone to strike the Kerch Straight bridge (reopened already to all traffic).



The number of civilians killed in this war is actually much lower than recent ones. You can look up "impartial" estimates. Most of the damage in civilian areas have been when Ukie anti-aircraft missiles fall short after failing to take out the Russian targets that they were shot at (what goes up must come down). Given that the Ukies have about shot most of their Soviet era S-300s, there should be less AA missiles falling back on their own cities. Other Russian strikes in the big Kiev-controlled cities are against military CinC areas or gatherings or assemblies of troops. The Kiev government doesn't think twice of having such locations in mostly civilian areas.

As for hippie's question about why I defend a "weaker" Russian effort? Because this war is far beyond the fight for some territory in eastern Europe. Its about the cartels that rule the world through their financial power and the need to take out any potential rivals in any kind of resources. That was the main reason why World War I started and was pushed to its bloody results. But then again, most of the "behind the scenes" geopolitical games is as much or even more spiritual in nature that people don't get or refuse to think about.

Have a good day...