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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: HayDay] #7922186
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Was thinking about this thread in middle of the night........troubled by the 15 pellet count of #1 buckshot. So on a hunch, went to BPI and looked up #1 buckshot. For all their super buck.....they publish a helpful table:

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Super-Buck-Lead-1-8-lb_jar-300/productinfo/SBK01/

What you find is a 1 oz payload of this shot contains 10.6 pellets. So if you do the math, a 15 count payload would weigh 1.4+ oz. That is getting very close to a 1 1/2 oz payload in a 2 3/4" shell? In my book, that is getting deep into heavy magnum plus rounds and not something any of us has any business messing with reloading our own.

On the other hand, a 12 count load is closer to 1 1/8 oz. Assume those are stacked 3 x 4 = 12. With right wads and powders, that is very much doable, with easy to obtain, off the shelf components. There are nearly endless lists of published loads for 1 1/8 oz payloads. Nothing exotic or crazy to worry about. And most likely, exact same components could be used to load a 1 1/4 oz payload of BB's.

FWIW.

Thanks for the info I'm not stuck on the fifteen pellets so the 12 may be the way to go. I learned with the 3" gun sometimes more pellets means less accuracy. I would take accuracy over pellets any day of the week

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Wanna Be] #7922188
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
What’s crazy is back in the day my and my best friends parents went in together and bought us 12 year old boys and shotgun shell reloader and all necessary parts. We loaded everything from #8 shot to BB’s you’d buy at the corner store. We loaded rock salt and even metal shavings. We tried glass marbles and steel ball bearings.
All this without written instructions or supervision.

Our WMA’s and “hog” killing are the same. Whatever legal gauge/caliber/ammo is legal for the season that’s in, is what hogs can be shot with. The work during small game season is the fact that bobcat season is in and center fired rifles can be used for bobcats. So, we are always bobcat hunting, and the pesky hogs keep getting in our way. About the only time it’s an issue is during turkey season, but even the smallest size TSS will stone a hog at 40yds.

I forgot about bobcats I'm going to check the Regs you may have opened a whole new door for me. That tss is what my buddy was using before I found the 3" bb loads and your right it's a mean load I just can't afford it for shooting hogs all season

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7922286
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Have you looked at these? Cheaper than winchester.

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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Preacherman Les] #7922391
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
Have you looked at these? Cheaper than winchester.

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Yea there are those and the Winchester varmit x that’s a good price on those. My more accurate shotgun only shoots 2 3/4

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7922423
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Why don't you just shoot steel BB? They are easy to find.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7922605
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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: MJM] #7922678
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Originally Posted by MJM
Why don't you just shoot steel BB? They are easy to find.

range , pattern , penetration Steel lacks them all.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7922876
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
range , pattern , penetration Steel lacks them all.

I totally disagree with what you are saying. They sell steel loads that have a MV of 1700+ fps. It penetrates well because it is so hard and going fast. Steel has come a long ways from what it was when it first came out.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: MJM] #7922897
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
range , pattern , penetration Steel lacks them all.

I totally disagree with what you are saying. They sell steel loads that have a MV of 1700+ fps. It penetrates well because it is so hard and going fast. Steel has come a long ways from what it was when it first came out.

Steel is still steel. Unless you’re referring to TSS which is not steel. Steel has sucked and will always be a horrible load for anything shot with it. Need to find the study of cripples since the introduction of mandatory steel shot regulations for waterfowl.

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: MJM] #7923128
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
range , pattern , penetration Steel lacks them all.

I totally disagree with what you are saying. They sell steel loads that have a MV of 1700+ fps. It penetrates well because it is so hard and going fast. Steel has come a long ways from what it was when it first came out.

I don't believe the gun can shoot steel. Also I agree with wanna be hardness doesn't matter it's all about density when it comes to penetration it would be possible to kill a hog with it but I'm going to stick to lead for the density and penetration. That's why the tss is all the rage it lead free and more dense than lead

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7923132
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They'll be coming for our shotgun wads next.

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7923467
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Buds has an even better deal on the Hornady stuff that came in my email today:
That would be your simplest route.
Now if you're just set on loading your own, regardless, well that's a different story.
In that case, nothing else will be satisfactory.
Good luck in your pursuit.

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Preacherman Les] #7923681
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
Buds has an even better deal on the Hornady stuff that came in my email today:
That would be your simplest route.
Now if you're just set on loading your own, regardless, well that's a different story.
In that case, nothing else will be satisfactory.
Good luck in your pursuit.

Thank you the gun I like using is a 2 3/4 only

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I guess we all agree.

No possible way it can be done.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: HayDay] #7924817
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Originally Posted by HayDay
It would be easy enough to drop BB's into any shot cup used for #1 buckshot. Would have to adjust powder charge to account for the weight difference (BB's payload would likely weigh more dumped into same shot cup), but otherwise, ought to work.

That many #1 buck pellets would likely be stacked in 3s, so 3 x 5 = 15. A heavy load.

If payload for same shot cup full of BB's starts getting off the charts heavy, you can cut back on payload weight to get to same weight as the buckshot load by dropping in space filler.......nitro cards, overshot cards or even something simple like cherrios or puffed rice. Or switch to a different wad.


This "ought to work" is dangerous advice. You don't load shotgun shells by how much will fit in the wad.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7924876
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Hodgdon gives away a lot of good info for free. Maybe this will help you get started.

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center?rdc=true&type=55

Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: wildflights] #7924917
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Originally Posted by wildflights
Originally Posted by HayDay
It would be easy enough to drop BB's into any shot cup used for #1 buckshot. Would have to adjust powder charge to account for the weight difference (BB's payload would likely weigh more dumped into same shot cup), but otherwise, ought to work.

That many #1 buck pellets would likely be stacked in 3s, so 3 x 5 = 15. A heavy load.

If payload for same shot cup full of BB's starts getting off the charts heavy, you can cut back on payload weight to get to same weight as the buckshot load by dropping in space filler.......nitro cards, overshot cards or even something simple like cherrios or puffed rice. Or switch to a different wad.


This "ought to work" is dangerous advice. You don't load shotgun shells by how much will fit in the wad.



What is dangerous about it? One has a 1 oz or 1 1/8 oz payload, with corresponding load data for same. The other might have either a 1 1/8 oz or 1 1/4 oz payload, with corresponding load data for same. Load data for both taken from modern era published load data. Just so happens both use same or similar components. Really no different than loading 7/8 oz, 1 oz or 1 1/8 oz payloads in target loads,

Some samples of what a guy can do.....various buckshot and slug loads........and all tied to and based on published load data:

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What is scary is some of the load data put out by BPI for slugs. Same for LEE and their slugs load data. In hindsight, what is also scary is the some of the load data put out in vintage load manuals, like one I have from Hercules circa 1970. Some of that was just plain wrong. You found out how wrong if you tried to load it when crimp would not close or dished in so far the shot ran out as fast as it dropped in.


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Re: Shotgun reloading [Re: Yellowbelly] #7924921
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The problem loading different size shot......say BB's or a larger buckshot......is the volume /weight relationship. If you put a 1 oz shot bar in a MEC loader, and dumped in #4 lead shot, you will not get a 1 oz drop. That weight bar is calibrated to small sized shot. Same thing is recognized by MEC in their skeet bars. A normal 1 oz shot bar will drop more than 1 oz of #9 shot used in skeet, and if you get checked in a competitive shoot and you are over weight, it will get you DQ'd.

It is the same problem with larger shot, just magnified by the size. But in all cases, what goes in the shell gets tied back to modern published load data for the hull, primer, powder and payload.

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