Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927556
08/13/23 08:13 PM
08/13/23 08:13 PM
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HobbieTrapper
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I did not. That was done by a young man in our praise band. You are right, he is very talented but he struggles and I wish he didn’t. When I saw it, I was wondering how long it would take to do something like this. I’m glad you checked in Ms. Sharon. Here is another, how much time goes into something like this? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/08/full-9686-185690-img_4317.jpeg)
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927586
08/13/23 08:33 PM
08/13/23 08:33 PM
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You'd be surprised at how quickly an artist can do something like that. Not sure how he shades, but you can do alot with a wet finger in a little bit of time! VERY nice!
Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927615
08/13/23 08:54 PM
08/13/23 08:54 PM
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Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
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You can ask him how long some of his work takes. It all depends on the person and their experience in years. To me, that wouldn't matter, unless one is being paid on a strict time deadline.
Just having fun, learning technique, etc, all the time one needs to feel relatively good about what they've done is fine.
Presently, I have been earning my keep in running with horses , the big dogs of the industry , on human portraits . Learning and refining my own style in techniques on the amazing details of the human form.
Your friend's images are very well done. Every artist is their own worst critic, or should be, in that elusive balance to be motivated to do better, without becoming so disheartened that they quit.
Humans are among the most challenging subjects to do, much less for a relative beginner. On the other hand, the sooner they dive into the remarkable world of the human form, the faster they will master it in time.
Graphite pencil is perfect to start out with. The enjoyment of blending, accenting, shading, all done in B&W, is a good way to focus on values , and not have the added stress of also blending colours.
Tell him all of us go through these difficult times, then a breakthrough, soaring motivation, then leveling off to more refinement in their own style , over time.
Also, if he takes breaks away from an image, that helps rest the mind and eyes , to see it fresh later , then things can jump out at him that needs attending to or changing.
Decent materials and tools make life in anything better. If your tools are low quality, that makes the job more difficult.
Decent lighting is a must. I use a mix of more fluorescent AND regular yellow bulb trac lighting. Along with working in daylight near a window helps a lot.
I work both on a flat desk surface, and a slight incline adjustable surface.
One more strange thing I find really does it for the final finishing touches...or even mid way. Ill scan my image at any point , put it on my Mac screentop, and just casually gaze at it. Leave it there for a time as you work. Its amazing how things jump out to me that I need to tweak or change on a scanned image, that I dont so easily see in the original. Happens every time. Sometimes with small images, being able to see that scan in a zoom mode can really help to see where I need to make changes.
But to be reasonable in all that, and dont stress too much over a subject. Theres a time to call it DONE, despite the nagging irritant that it could...should be better.
Just enjoy the process , and dont pick yourself to death...or try not to.
Believe me....that kind of whip cracking, disciplined stress will have to be dealt with as he gets to the chapter in his life where others hire him for art.
Other images done for fun, he can happily sell when others like it and want to purchase them.
In a nutshell. Just have FUN.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927680
08/13/23 09:53 PM
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That kid has talent.He has an eye to do something both simply,,but detailed.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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08/13/23 10:10 PM
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Well said Sharon,back when I drew and did scratchboard,people would want to buy some of my art and I did sell a fair amount back in the 90's.Some art I could do in 4 to 5 hours,others took longer,people always asked why I didn't do 5 to 10 subject per week and sell them.I told them I wasn't interested in drawing full time and I couldn't just pump art subjects out,I enjoyed the process,but didn't want to make it a job.I did art work for the quite and relaxing time it brought me I guess.I should start drawing again in the winter months when I have more spare time,we'll see.Your friend does a great job on the human portrait which is a hard subject,his shark picture was very nice also,I wish him well in what ever he does ,he has a lot of talent.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: Wanna Be]
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08/14/23 11:01 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
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You can ask him how long some of his work takes. It all depends on the person and their experience in years. To me, that wouldn't matter, unless one is being paid on a strict time deadline.
Just having fun, learning technique, etc, all the time one needs to feel relatively good about what they've done is fine.
Presently, I have been earning my keep in running with horses , the big dogs of the industry , on human portraits . Learning and refining my own style in techniques on the amazing details of the human form.
Your friend's images are very well done. Every artist is their own worst critic, or should be, in that elusive balance to be motivated to do better, without becoming so disheartened that they quit.
Humans are among the most challenging subjects to do, much less for a relative beginner. On the other hand, the sooner they dive into the remarkable world of the human form, the faster they will master it in time.
Graphite pencil is perfect to start out with. The enjoyment of blending, accenting, shading, all done in B&W, is a good way to focus on values , and not have the added stress of also blending colours.
Tell him all of us go through these difficult times, then a breakthrough, soaring motivation, then leveling off to more refinement in their own style , over time.
Also, if he takes breaks away from an image, that helps rest the mind and eyes , to see it fresh later , then things can jump out at him that needs attending to or changing.
Decent materials and tools make life in anything better. If your tools are low quality, that makes the job more difficult.
Decent lighting is a must. I use a mix of more fluorescent AND regular yellow bulb trac lighting. Along with working in daylight near a window helps a lot.
I work both on a flat desk surface, and a slight incline adjustable surface.
One more strange thing I find really does it for the final finishing touches...or even mid way. Ill scan my image at any point , put it on my Mac screentop, and just casually gaze at it. Leave it there for a time as you work. Its amazing how things jump out to me that I need to tweak or change on a scanned image, that I dont so easily see in the original. Happens every time. Sometimes with small images, being able to see that scan in a zoom mode can really help to see where I need to make changes.
But to be reasonable in all that, and dont stress too much over a subject. Theres a time to call it DONE, despite the nagging irritant that it could...should be better.
Just enjoy the process , and dont pick yourself to death...or try not to.
Believe me....that kind of whip cracking, disciplined stress will have to be dealt with as he gets to the chapter in his life where others hire him for art.
Other images done for fun, he can happily sell when others like it and want to purchase them.
In a nutshell. Just have FUN.
Asked and answered, the shark was a 2 day project. I’m sure someone somewhere could find faults in those, but that Chic pic looks like a B/W photo! I hope that kid is in a higher learning school of art somewhere. I believe his talents could take him places if they haven’t already. I do not believe he is enrolled in college, he works two job through the week and a family produce stand on the weekend, is very introverted.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: ~ADC~]
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08/16/23 03:29 PM
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Impressive looking bobcat! Glad I don’t trap where you live. My 550’s ain’t holding that one, lol.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7929755
08/16/23 07:47 PM
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He has a gift! I sure hope he is using that talent so the world can all enjoy. He should not let his work be hidden.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: snowy]
#7975284
10/19/23 07:28 PM
10/19/23 07:28 PM
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He has a gift! I sure hope he is using that talent so the world can all enjoy. He should not let his work be hidden. He has begun an apprenticeship as a tattoo artist. Apparently this piece was executed using some technique he has been learning in the tattoo world. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/10/full-9686-192472-img_4746.jpeg) I think it’s a little better than his previous samples.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7975306
10/19/23 07:52 PM
10/19/23 07:52 PM
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Williamsport, Pa.
jk
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Good grief they are amazing!!!!! Super congratulations to him......jk
Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7975747
10/20/23 01:36 PM
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Greene County,Virginia
run
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Thank you for sharing, hobbie trapper! I believe you may have shown some artwork several years ago not sure if it was done by the same person. But I appreciated it anyway.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: run]
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10/20/23 04:17 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Thank you for sharing, hobbie trapper! I believe you may have shown some artwork several years ago not sure if it was done by the same person. But I appreciated it anyway. I posted some art from one of the young ladies in the youth group. If memory serves one was a tiger she won 1st place in some contest. She has graduated college and is operating a Graphic Design business.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7976035
10/20/23 10:39 PM
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Greene County,Virginia
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Thank you for sharing, hobbie trapper! I believe you may have shown some artwork several years ago not sure if it was done by the same person. But I appreciated it anyway. I posted some art from one of the young ladies in the youth group. If memory serves one was a tiger she won 1st place in some contest. She has graduated college and is operating a Graphic Design business. Thank you for the follow-up.
wanna be goat farmer.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7976226
10/21/23 09:43 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I do know him, he is one of my son’s best friends.
“He struggles”, he is viewed as an under achiever in his family circle and has at times expressed “things would be better if he checked out.” We have kind of unofficially adopted him and he knows the door is always open.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7976267
10/21/23 10:48 AM
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Sharon
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I do know him, he is one of my son’s best friends.
“He struggles”, he is viewed as an under achiever in his family circle and has at times expressed “things would be better if he checked out.” We have kind of unofficially adopted him and he knows the door is always open. No wonder he has issues to endure. It’s best he is away from that kind of dysfunctional input, relatives or not. Thank you for offering him the side of life that is healthy and happy. It is a hurdle to deal mentally with negative thoughts put on a young person’s talent . What he can do is forge ahead , with more determination in life , to succeed. As a teen, I was told by a teacher , that I would never be successful in art . Her intent was good, but she approached it in the most wrong way. A few years after I graduated, little did she know, that I was working for the best custom body shop in Miami, airbrushing muscle cahs, bike tanks and show vans . Riding the wave of when murals were popular, that spanned the whole sides of a vechile…. and making $ 400 a square foot . In the 70’s and 80's . There’s a country western song that says in the chorus “ How do you like me now ?” Same with this young man.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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10/21/23 04:47 PM
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Most of us here at Trapperman think we are lucky you are part of Trapperman. You are an asset to this forum . At least I think you are.You add a one of a kind point of view . Thanks
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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10/22/23 08:53 PM
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52Carl I am similar to you in my younger days my adult family members did a better job of showing me how not to be And they where the shing star I saw what I did not want to be . When I was old enough to help others out when they needed some help And if I could do something to improve others lives I would try to do just that It seems to me helping those that need a little help is one of the most meaningful ways we all can make the world a better place Besides if we truly love to hunt and fish and trap as we claim we do Than. it only makes sense that we should share that with other that want to same thing . Simple acts of kindness or a few kind words or words of encouragement and make a difference in many people's lives .
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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12/15/23 09:20 AM
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HobbieTrapper
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I guess tattooing is different than just drawing and one has to ease into it. Here are his first attempts. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/12/full-9686-200130-img_5141.jpeg) I’m not really a fan of tats so I don’t know if these are good or bad. I reckon as long as the folks that got them are happy with them that’s all that matters. Can he make a career out of it?
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: Sharon]
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12/15/23 12:23 PM
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I do know him, he is one of my son’s best friends.
“He struggles”, he is viewed as an under achiever in his family circle and has at times expressed “things would be better if he checked out.” We have kind of unofficially adopted him and he knows the door is always open. No wonder he has issues to endure. It’s best he is away from that kind of dysfunctional input, relatives or not. Thank you for offering him the side of life that is healthy and happy. It is a hurdle to deal mentally with negative thoughts put on a young person’s talent . What he can do is forge ahead , with more determination in life , to succeed. As a teen, I was told by a teacher , that I would never be successful in art . Her intent was good, but she approached it in the most wrong way. A few years after I graduated, little did she know, that I was working for the best custom body shop in Miami, airbrushing muscle cahs, bike tanks and show vans . Riding the wave of when murals were popular, that spanned the whole sides of a vechile…. and making $ 400 a square foot . In the 70’s and 80's . There’s a country western song that says in the chorus “ How do you like me now ?” Same with this young man. They probably refer to him as an under achiever because he spends so much time with his drawings and not much else. It's sad that they can't see his potential. He needs to move on with his talent. It's great that he has someone like you Hobbie, to encourage him.
SIGN ON A FARMER'S FENCE: Do not cross this field unless you can do it in 9 seconds because the bull can do it in 10.
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