One more thing on peoples value . My dad always said if someone is willing to pay it and you take it that’s your worth didn’t matter if you were a pro athlete or a gas station attendant and he was definitely non union but he also said what do I know because anyone so stupid to spend 4 years active duty in Ww2 and then go back for some more in Korea is pretty dumb all while the politicians sit back and watch the cream of the crop come home in flagged draped caskets. He died 22 years ago .

They used to make 6 times more than the producers,now they make 400 times more than the producers.
We will see how much money the top brass makes for the company when all the production workers walk out.

There has always been the rich and the workers ,, that's the way of the world.

Just curious, since you think so little of the auto workers, what's your occupation?

Correct. Haves and have nots.

I don't think he thinks little of anybody. The conversation is the job. That job doesn't command the high pay. It's unskilled work.

I work construction.

8n this day and age, if he can pass a drug test, show up every day on time, not afraid of working overtime, not ask for excessive time off and takes pride in his work, he is borderline priceless.

I'm not looking down on the auto workers I just saying they don't have SKILLS! . Everything in front of them the machine turned the truck over ,so no reaching down its easy then where their skill I don't see it,when the plant makes it easy. I also think the big three will go over the border soon if not next year,then what are they to do? Work at Walmart auto!

They used to make 6 times more than the producers,now they make 400 times more than the producers.
We will see how much money the top brass makes for the company when all the production workers walk out.[/quote]

Which brings up a very under-reported issue in today's corporate world, that being the makeup of Director Boards. While everyone focuses on diversity of gender or race, what isn't focused upon is simply the diversity of people, IE, there is too much cross-pollination of individuals on each other's boards. It reduces accountability, and (often) gives the CEO's too much compensation with too little accountability for poor leadership.

Isn't the drug test getting a little ridiculous since the drug test is for a pretty much legal substance these days. When I was in the UAW there were plenty of lunch time dope smoking and drinking goin on. How else could you stand those jobs?

They don’t even test for pot anymore heck they rarely test unless you’re involved in a accident

I hate to tell you this, since you are a Budweiser man, but my lunch consisted of a Schlitz Tallboy. Schlitz had lunch figured out.

Depends on where one works I suppose. We are subjected to random tests, prehires and post accident.

I enjoy a tall can of Schlitz every now and again.

I hate to tell you this Guss, but there are a whole heap of people that feel about construction workers the way you feel about auto workers, unskilled. Monkeys and crackheads can do it. Have you priced a new house lately? Way overpriced. See how that works?

I'm not trying to put you down, just pointing out that what you are saying about some of these workers can be applied to you by others.

1985 drinking on the job ended at Budweiser when a drunk employee hit a pedestrian that was before my time . I correct myself on the pot if there’s a accident then they test for it but random tests haven’t been done for along time probably because they don’t want to pay for it

They don't drug test like they used to because if they did over half their work force would be gone.

They cut back on it hear due to cost. Not just the cost of testing but paying people for several days when their prescription shows up and they send them home and the sample off to the lab for more detail breakdown. I cane to work accepted weekend ot and an out late on Monday so had 64 hrs scedualed. Dumped a finished coil in my first 15 mis of my shift. They sent me to pee meds showed they sent me home. I was off all week and got paid 64 hrs for bring there an hour total. Happened a lot with a work force with a ton of 30 year plus guys. Cost them a lot of money. Very few drug addicts in my plant.