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Happy Indigenous People Day.... #7967777
10/09/23 01:20 PM
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.......whatever that means.

The definition of "indigenous" is; "inhabiting a land from earliest times". So, my understanding is that anyone who lives in the land of their long gone ancestors is indigenous.

So an Irishman living in Ireland is indigenous, a Swede living in Sweden is indigenous, a Gwich'in living in northern Alaska is indigenous. This sort of makes since if you accept the official definition of indigenous.

However, I assume that once that person moves away from their ancestral lands, they are no longer an "indigenous person".

So, a Gwitch'in living in Seattle or Anchorage is no longer an indigenous person. Same with the Swede or Irishman living in America.

The thing that makes me scratch my head is that I only hear the term "indigenous person" applied to people who have some shade of brown to their skin. I never hear it applied to indigenous Europeans. Maybe I am just missing something.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967784
10/09/23 01:31 PM
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Good points, Waggler.

Europeans are indigenous too .

What about most of all cultures , in reality, being of mixed races ?

Just maybe, HUMANS on planet Earth , are all indigenous ?

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967789
10/09/23 01:35 PM
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Well since my folks got off the boat in 1774 I guess that makes me an indigenous American.

And to cover my bases one of my ggggrands married a squaw.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967790
10/09/23 01:36 PM
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Oh, and they made it to Alabama by 1813 while it was still Mississippi territory so I'm an indigenous Alabamian as well.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967795
10/09/23 01:50 PM
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These special days IMO are just an attempt to divide us as a country, we are all Americans regardless of where our ancestors come from or what color our skin is. We are all homo sapiens so on that note HAPPY HOMO SAPIEN DAY grin


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967799
10/09/23 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
.......whatever that means.

The definition of "indigenous" is; "inhabiting a land from earliest times". So, my understanding is that anyone who lives in the land of their long gone ancestors is indigenous.

So an Irishman living in Ireland is indigenous, a Swede living in Sweden is indigenous, a Gwich'in living in northern Alaska is indigenous. This sort of makes since if you accept the official definition of indigenous.

However, I assume that once that person moves away from their ancestral lands, they are no longer an "indigenous person".

So, a Gwitch'in living in Seattle or Anchorage is no longer an indigenous person. Same with the Swede or Irishman living in America.

The thing that makes me scratch my head is that I only hear the term "indigenous person" applied to people who have some shade of brown to their skin. I never hear it applied to indigenous Europeans. Maybe I am just missing something.


Guess you never heard of the Sami people.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: victor#0] #7967800
10/09/23 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by victor#0
These special days IMO are just an attempt to divide us as a country, we are all Americans regardless of where our ancestors come from or what color our skin is. We are all homo sapiens so on that note HAPPY HOMO SAPIEN DAY grin


I dont think St Paddys day divided anyone.except for the odd bat fight.But that animosity didnt last long,went away after the hangover.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967802
10/09/23 02:03 PM
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I wonder how it makes them feel that they had to go to the White Man to grant them a special day?


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967803
10/09/23 02:05 PM
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The word indigenous,as a derivative of the word indigent seems like a slur to me.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967804
10/09/23 02:08 PM
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Happy Columbus Day Everyone!!!

Keith

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: victor#0] #7967805
10/09/23 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by victor#0
These special days IMO are just an attempt to divide us as a country, we are all Americans regardless of where our ancestors come from or what color our skin is. We are all homo sapiens so on that note HAPPY HOMO SAPIEN DAY grin


Absolutely. The globalist are trying to divide us and bring back tribalism so we are busy fighting among ourselves while they take control.

America is founded on the idea that we are all equal. We give up our tribal affiliation's once we become American's. We are American first.

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967831
10/09/23 02:52 PM
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Jeff, that reminded me. When Americans go to another country, the locals call them Americans. No matter what race they are.

I saw video of a well traveled black couple , who had enjoyed visits to Africa several times, in various cities. They say, no one calls them African Americans, no more than they themselves label each other, Kenyan , Congo , Burundi , Africans , etc. . They take one look at that couple, and call them Americans.

The concept of separating according to race in country, isn't even part of their thinking .

We are Americans. Period. Legally. And proud of that.

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: KeithC] #7967832
10/09/23 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Happy Columbus Day Everyone!!!

Keith

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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: Boco] #7967839
10/09/23 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by waggler
.......whatever that means.

The definition of "indigenous" is; "inhabiting a land from earliest times". So, my understanding is that anyone who lives in the land of their long gone ancestors is indigenous.

So an Irishman living in Ireland is indigenous, a Swede living in Sweden is indigenous, a Gwich'in living in northern Alaska is indigenous. This sort of makes since if you accept the official definition of indigenous.

However, I assume that once that person moves away from their ancestral lands, they are no longer an "indigenous person".

So, a Gwitch'in living in Seattle or Anchorage is no longer an indigenous person. Same with the Swede or Irishman living in America.

The thing that makes me scratch my head is that I only hear the term "indigenous person" applied to people who have some shade of brown to their skin. I never hear it applied to indigenous Europeans. Maybe I am just missing something.


Guess you never heard of the Sami people.

Funny you should mention that. My maternal grandmother was Sami and lived nearly her entire life in Michigan. Does that mean she was "indigenous"? Or would she have needed to live in northern Sweden to be indigenous?

Heck, maybe I'm indigenous? Can I get special hunting privileges in Sweden?


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967849
10/09/23 03:42 PM
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Honestly, when I hear XXX-American I hear liberal condescension and the paternalistic attitude of soft racism of low expectations.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967850
10/09/23 03:43 PM
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AKA, not "good enough" to be real Americans.


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Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967965
10/09/23 06:56 PM
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I want special hunting privileges to. I can guarantee that my ancestors hunted, fished, trapped and gathered food in the wild. Otherwise none of us would be here.

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7967975
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The Ojibwa pushed the Sioux out of Minnesota in the mid seventeenth century, killing many in the ensuing conflict. The Sioux pushed out the Gros Ventre, Lipan, and Plains Cree tribes as they were more warlike and powerful than these smaller tribes, just not powerful enough yet to resist the Ojibwa. With the arrival of European horses, the Sioux became able to hunt the buffalo better, became better fighters on horseback and established their own fiercely defended territory. As well as increasing their numbers and military might. Now they cry about being defeated and need special privileges. Maybe that's just the way of the world, get over it. We may have to speak Chinese at some point, and the Chinese don't give special treatment to conquered people. Ask a Uwghur.

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7968034
10/09/23 08:16 PM
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I think indigenous is a better descriptor than Native American, and certainly better than Indian.

We all came from somewhere. I was born in North America so I am a Native American. So my ancestors came from Europe am I an Indigenous European? Maybe I can go to Europe and hunt where ever and when ever I want without a license.

Re: Happy Indigenous People Day.... [Re: waggler] #7968042
10/09/23 08:21 PM
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You could have asked the first people in the US, the more advanced Clovis people, what they think about the later people we call Native Americans, if the Native Americans had not killed them all with their vastly larger numbers.

Keith

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