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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7974960
10/19/23 10:28 AM
10/19/23 10:28 AM
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We send military aid so the mic makes $, the donors worked that out with the politicians long ago.


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Re: Israel War [Re: Giant Sage] #7975008
10/19/23 11:19 AM
10/19/23 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the son.
1 John 2:22

98.1 % of Israel is not Christian. So is a nation of peaple that are mostly antichrist realy God's peaple?

I think this is a fair question.

I believe that the christion zionist movement is as dangerous to the world as radical Islam.

What happend to Israel in 70 AD is exactly what it seems is the same path Israel is on today.

Israel had imploded with in .CivilWar, this made it easy for Rome to conquer Jerusalem.

Look how all the nation's of the world have turned from God .

Who realy loves there neighbor as them shelves. As Jesus camanded.

That is God's chosen peaple .

To love God with all your heart and mind and soul. And to love you're neighbor as your self.

Our founding fathers did not intend for our county to be the world's police.

We were to not become involved in matters of foreign affairs. Unless it was for self defense.

So we have become a country that creates a crisis, and a boogi man to give us more power and financial gain.

I'm not trying to belittle our brave men and women who have fought for our freedom and safety.

Our leadership is the problem, and it has been through out history.

The reason I say the christion Zionists movement is dangerous, is because we are protecting a nation that despises Christians, if it weren't for the money and the help with there defense they would eliminate the christion community. The Christion Zionist that is.

This has already happened in most of the Palestine Israel land.




Simple facts that most folks don't realize

Glad to know you Sage

Last edited by Ken Smith; 10/19/23 11:22 AM.

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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975022
10/19/23 11:39 AM
10/19/23 11:39 AM
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As to the scripture being used out of context that's just not true. Unfortunately dispensationalism has crept into the churches just as Zionism has and is how the devil will bring down Christianity from within

When Jesus clearly says that the so called folks who call themselves "Jews" are not Jews and you come out and say "that's just not true" cuz Paul was talking to other folks for other reasons is a cop out and the way dispensationalists ignore clear scripture.

Dispensationalism is a demonic doctrine designed to pervert the clear scripture of the Word of God and the result is often a person who spends their life in religion believing they are saved and right but then they die and go to H3|| because the gospel was attacked through the many false doctrines of dispensationalism. That person will die believing a lie and suffer eternal fire for it.

It's sad

No one accepted dispensationalism before the 1940s it was made popular by the Scofield reference bible and was created by John Nelson Darby who is clearly burning in H3|| for creating his own Bible and removing scriptures out of it per Rev 22:18-19

The idea that a religion is exempt from faith based salvation and we should support them is the lie that was built for almost 200 years by infiltrators in the christian religion in order to force Americans and Christian into supporting their own destruction

There are many steps that would need to be explained to help a person understand this reality, but if a person just ignores clear scripture or writes it off because of dispensational doctrines they wouldn't understand it anyway

At the end of the day this war will be used to destroy America and turn innocent Christians into slaves

Support it if you must but you should know where it's going so that when you finally realize it you will remember you were warned


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Re: Israel War [Re: Ken Smith] #7975024
10/19/23 11:41 AM
10/19/23 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
Originally Posted by Giant Sage

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the son.
1 John 2:22

98.1 % of Israel is not Christian. So is a nation of peaple that are mostly antichrist realy God's peaple?

I think this is a fair question.

I believe that the christion zionist movement is as dangerous to the world as radical Islam.

What happend to Israel in 70 AD is exactly what it seems is the same path Israel is on today.

Israel had imploded with in .CivilWar, this made it easy for Rome to conquer Jerusalem.

Look how all the nation's of the world have turned from God .

Who realy loves there neighbor as them shelves. As Jesus camanded.

That is God's chosen peaple .

To love God with all your heart and mind and soul. And to love you're neighbor as your self.

Our founding fathers did not intend for our county to be the world's police.

We were to not become involved in matters of foreign affairs. Unless it was for self defense.

So we have become a country that creates a crisis, and a boogi man to give us more power and financial gain.

I'm not trying to belittle our brave men and women who have fought for our freedom and safety.

Our leadership is the problem, and it has been through out history.

The reason I say the christion Zionists movement is dangerous, is because we are protecting a nation that despises Christians, if it weren't for the money and the help with there defense they would eliminate the christion community. The Christion Zionist that is.

This has already happened in most of the Palestine Israel land.




Simple facts that most folks don't realize

Glad to know you Sage


Nonsense and absolutely nonbiblical.

Name one instance in the historical record short of the first century stoning of Stephen at the hands of the Sanhedron and Saul, later to be Paul, where the Jewish people perpetrated an attack upon Christians.

Yes, there are members of the Orthodox community that are virulent anti-missionary. But you could say the same of some within the Christian community as evidenced by this antisemitic post I am replying to.


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Re: Israel War [Re: Ken Smith] #7975051
10/19/23 12:43 PM
10/19/23 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
As to the scripture being used out of context that's just not true. Unfortunately dispensationalism has crept into the churches just as Zionism has and is how the devil will bring down Christianity from within

When Jesus clearly says that the so called folks who call themselves "Jews" are not Jews and you come out and say "that's just not true" cuz Paul was talking to other folks for other reasons is a cop out and the way dispensationalists ignore clear scripture.

Dispensationalism is a demonic doctrine designed to pervert the clear scripture of the Word of God and the result is often a person who spends their life in religion believing they are saved and right but then they die and go to H3|| because the gospel was attacked through the many false doctrines of dispensationalism. That person will die believing a lie and suffer eternal fire for it.

It's sad

No one accepted dispensationalism before the 1940s it was made popular by the Scofield reference bible and was created by John Nelson Darby who is clearly burning in H3|| for creating his own Bible and removing scriptures out of it per Rev 22:18-19

The idea that a religion is exempt from faith based salvation and we should support them is the lie that was built for almost 200 years by infiltrators in the christian religion in order to force Americans and Christian into supporting their own destruction

There are many steps that would need to be explained to help a person understand this reality, but if a person just ignores clear scripture or writes it off because of dispensational doctrines they wouldn't understand it anyway

At the end of the day this war will be used to destroy America and turn innocent Christians into slaves

Support it if you must but you should know where it's going so that when you finally realize it you will remember you were warned

Prime example of legalism at it's best. To be a bonified Christian you have many hoops to jump through or you don't qualify.


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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975059
10/19/23 12:58 PM
10/19/23 12:58 PM
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So, Ken Smith, which branch of covenant theology do you hold with?

I hope not the one of the ones used to support antisemitism or racism.

This could be an interesting discussion if you can cite biblical sources for your position.

But be warned I come from the common sense school of thought that says that scripture is to be taken as verbatim written as it was intended to say and must fit within the whole of scripture. Not the cherry picking of individual passages to be interpreted wholly separate from the rest of scripture.


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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975060
10/19/23 01:00 PM
10/19/23 01:00 PM
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I think that without religion, that ruckus would probably not have kicked off in the first place. But thats just my 2 cents worth.


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975088
10/19/23 02:06 PM
10/19/23 02:06 PM
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I think you are correct about most wars


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Israel War [Re: danny clifton] #7975102
10/19/23 02:58 PM
10/19/23 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I think you are correct about most wars


I would disagree. Religious facade of course because warring over money is so gauche.

Take a look at the sacking of Constantinople during a religious crusade no less. It was over money and the Venetians were neck deep in it.

Knights Templar and the crusades? More like international bankers fueling the crusades.

Nobody save a jihadist goes to war for his religion, die for it yes but not kill for it.


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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975149
10/19/23 04:18 PM
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My belief is that Jesus died for me and my only hope for salvation is trusting that. It's that simple. Tagging on all these rules, laws, and regulations makes it conditional and complex to be a Christian. What happens to the person with a low intelligence level who will never be able to comprehend what is written? Are they lost? When you say you must conform to everything that's written or you are lost, in that case we have a God of fire and brimstone, not a loving God.

Some of this reminds me of a woman I knew who was a staunch Lutheran. I asked her, "So are you saying you must be a Lutheran to be saved or salvation is impossible for anyone else?"
She said, "I will only say that it's not impossible, but it would be very hard for a person who isn't a Lutheran to enter heaven".

This is some of what I'm hearing in this post.


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Re: Israel War [Re: Trapper7] #7975156
10/19/23 04:26 PM
10/19/23 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
My belief is that Jesus died for me and my only hope for salvation is trusting that. It's that simple. Tagging on all these rules, laws, and regulations makes it conditional and complex to be a Christian. What happens to the person with a low intelligence level who will never be able to comprehend what is written? Are they lost? When you say you must conform to everything that's written or you are lost, in that case we have a God of fire and brimstone, not a loving God.

Some of this reminds me of a woman I knew who was a staunch Lutheran. I asked her, "So are you saying you must be a Lutheran to be saved or salvation is impossible for anyone else?"
She said, "I will only say that it's not impossible, but it would be very hard for a person who isn't a Lutheran to enter heaven".

This is some of what I'm hearing in this post.



Absolutely not from me. It was a Lutheran who summed it up best for me. Matter of fact the original Lutheran.

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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975160
10/19/23 04:30 PM
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Bottom Line is this : Those people have been fighting and killing one another since the biblical times, all in the name of God.

It isn't going to ever stop



Re: Israel War [Re: warrior] #7975161
10/19/23 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Trapper7
My belief is that Jesus died for me and my only hope for salvation is trusting that. It's that simple. Tagging on all these rules, laws, and regulations makes it conditional and complex to be a Christian. What happens to the person with a low intelligence level who will never be able to comprehend what is written? Are they lost? When you say you must conform to everything that's written or you are lost, in that case we have a God of fire and brimstone, not a loving God.

Some of this reminds me of a woman I knew who was a staunch Lutheran. I asked her, "So are you saying you must be a Lutheran to be saved or salvation is impossible for anyone else?"
She said, "I will only say that it's not impossible, but it would be very hard for a person who isn't a Lutheran to enter heaven".

This is some of what I'm hearing in this post.



Absolutely not from me. It was a Lutheran who summed it up best for me. Matter of fact the original Lutheran.

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You should know by now that I wasn't referring to you. I agree with you most of the time.


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Re: Israel War [Re: warrior] #7975239
10/19/23 06:49 PM
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I've been called a lot of things,

Nothing I said was hostile toward the Jewish community, I said I thought that the Zionist Christian community was dangerous. Fueling the fire between jews and Palestinians in the middle east is dangerous to all in Israel and Gaza

No we're did I mention jews persecuting Christions. I understand peaple can take what someone say out of context. But I'm quite sure the apostle Paul meant jews when he said , neither jew nor gentile.

Also dragging the would into war with there fairy tails of a secret rapture. But that ok because the chrstions will be gone.

Does That realy sound like rightios judgment?
Realy??


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Re: Israel War [Re: adam m] #7975270
10/19/23 07:20 PM
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I have nothing but disgust for those who want us to get involved for religious reasons.

Religion is a virus. Actually, a whole spectrum of viruses, like the flu or common cold.

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Originally Posted by James
I have nothing but disgust for those who want us to get involved for religious reasons.

Religion is a virus. Actually, a whole spectrum of viruses, like the flu or common cold.

Jim



It's OK, Pfizer is working on a cure!

Re: Israel War [Re: Giant Sage] #7975287
10/19/23 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
I've been called a lot of things,

Nothing I said was hostile toward the Jewish community, I said I thought that the Zionist Christian community was dangerous. Fueling the fire between jews and Palestinians in the middle east is dangerous to all in Israel and Gaza

No we're did I mention jews persecuting Christions. I understand peaple can take what someone say out of context. But I'm quite sure the apostle Paul meant jews when he said , neither jew nor gentile.

Also dragging the would into war with there fairy tails of a secret rapture. But that ok because the chrstions will be gone.

Does That realy sound like rightios judgment?
Realy??


Are you by chance referring to the current judiaizer movement among some Christian groups? The ones that claim one must follow mosaic law to be a complete Christian?

If so the apostle Paul nipped that in the bud early on.

I myself do appreciate trying to understand Jewish culture and practice in order to better understand exactly what Paul and other writers are referencing in scripture. But not as a means of salvation.

And yes I firmly believe that God is not done with the Jewish people and nation as he never goes back on His word. But that is His plan and purpose not mine and not mine to fulfill.

I just know that of all the nation's of earth Israel was chosen for God's purpose and I will not deign to interfere with that.


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...they also denied (and still do) that Jesus was the Son of God.


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Re: Israel War [Re: Yukon John] #7975376
10/19/23 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
...they also denied (and still do) that Jesus was the Son of God.


And that singles them out for..........

Newsflash, the majority of humanity rejects Jesus daily.

And before you say but God, do you deny that God can and has used non believers for His purpose?

Who hardened Pharaoh's heart? God did.

Who sent the Assyrians and Babylonians? God did.

Who brought the Israelites out of bondage? God did.

Who brought the Israelites out of Babylon? God did.

And God being omniscient did so knowing full well that Israel would reject His only begotten Son.

So why would a people scattered to all corners of the world murdered and massacred where ever found be gathered back to the land promised to them so many thousands of years ago by God.

Because God did.

Now some, particularly in my own dispensational camp, might infer from that some sort of benchmark in the eschatological countdown clock to the rapture but I don't. Mainly because our Savior warned us that no one knows the time or season. I just know that God said he would do it and He did and it has something to do with His plan. Meanwhile I just stay out of His way and wait for my Savior's return.

We the creature get ahead of ourselves when we think it all has to make sense and the square pegs go in the square holes and round pegs in the round ones. Because quite frankly it never will as we lack even the most basic concept of His time.

It was never about us and has always been about God and His glory and purpose.

I just hold to the plea of the thief, Lord remember me when You come into Your kingdom.

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