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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993364
11/13/23 08:43 AM
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Taxing the heck out of it thinking it'll bring in a ton of money in tax revenue is a joke. Well it's a 509 million joke on Wa. state then.



Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993373
11/13/23 08:53 AM
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And now, everything in Washington is just sunshine and happiness. Right?

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993377
11/13/23 08:58 AM
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Some of y'all plainly want a nanny state where the government dictates what you and others can buy and consume.

Freedom can hurt a bit. Some of us are OK with that.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: bowhunter27295] #7993399
11/13/23 09:29 AM
11/13/23 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Wonder how much their taxes will be lowered due to this increased revenue? laugh laugh

Missouri is looking to eliminate property tax....Let that happen to a few states and y'all will be weeds biggest cheerleaders, Lol.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: BandB] #7993404
11/13/23 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BandB
And now, everything in Washington is just sunshine and happiness. Right?


If you are smoking the right stuff. lol


-Goofy
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: bowhunter27295] #7993413
11/13/23 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Some of y'all plainly want a nanny state where the government dictates what you and others can buy and consume.

Freedom can hurt a bit. Some of us are OK with that.


Couldn't agree with you more on less laws. That means a much lower need for lawyers.

But, as obvious, lawyers do not live in reality.

Give me one, just one, benefit to legalizing recreational use of illicit drugs. That means taking the drugs with the determined outcome of getting high.

How does that benefit our society and make it safer? You did read the OP's original article, right?



Making it legal didn't change the user's it just let them come out in the open. Now they are seen more. Thay were there all along. Stop saving them whan they od and the problem will solve its self.

Name one thing that making them illegal had had a positive benefit on. Maybe you like assit forfeiture, prissions full of non violent offenders so thay let the rapest and murders out early, the militarization of the police force, or any of the other million things the war on drugs has created. It sure has not stoped drug use . The war on drugs is really a war on you. Travel with 10k cash on you or ever 5k and see how you like trying to get it back after the cop that pulls you over for a burnt out light when he sees it in the glove box when you get your registration.

Drugs are bad for society but giving up your freedom is much worse.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Providence Farm] #7993420
11/13/23 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm



Making it legal didn't change the user's it just let them come out in the open. Now they are seen more. Thay were there all along. Stop saving them whan they od and the problem will solve its self.

Name one thing that making them illegal had had a positive benefit on. Maybe you like assit forfeiture, prissions full of non violent offenders so thay let the rapest and murders out early, the militarization of the police force, or any of the other million things the war on drugs has created. It sure has not stoped drug use . The war on drugs is really a war on you. Travel with 10k cash on you or ever 5k and see how you like trying to get it back after the cop that pulls you over for a burnt out light when he sees it in the glove box when you get your registration.

Drugs are bad for society but giving up your freedom is much worse.


Good post PF. I wonder what guns the Nanny State types on TMan think I should be prohibited from buying.

Guns can be misused. Guns can be dangerous. Guns can kill people. Come on--protect me!

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993432
11/13/23 10:39 AM
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Recreational gun use doesn't hurt society. It makes it stronger.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7993433
11/13/23 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Wonder how much their taxes will be lowered due to this increased revenue? laugh laugh

Missouri is looking to eliminate property tax....Let that happen to a few states and y'all will be weeds biggest cheerleaders, Lol.


Let us know when they get past the looking stage.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993440
11/13/23 10:54 AM
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Freedom is messy and people are imperfect (drug use being the imperfection at hand). We can either try to legislate people's imperfections away and live under tyranny, or we can except that freedom comes with some things we don't like.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7993475
11/13/23 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Wonder how much their taxes will be lowered due to this increased revenue? laugh laugh

Missouri is looking to eliminate property tax....Let that happen to a few states and y'all will be weeds biggest cheerleaders, Lol.



"Most State governments collect little property tax revenue. It is a local tax primarily and will never be eliminated by pot smoking, gambling, drinking, or tobacco smoking sin taxes.

"State governments collected $19 billion from property taxes in 2020, or 1 percent of state general revenue. In contrast, property taxes are one of the largest sources of revenue for local governments. Local governments collected $581 billion in property taxes in 2020, or 30 percent of local general revenue."

Source: Urban institute


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993481
11/13/23 12:07 PM
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That's good info Dirt.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7993483
11/13/23 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
That's good info Dirt.


I'm not a huge fan of sin taxes. I sin too much! smile


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Dirt] #7993484
11/13/23 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
That's good info Dirt.


I'm not a huge fan of sin taxes. I sin too much! smile

Lol, don't we all! wink


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Massac] #7993557
11/13/23 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Massac
Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Not everyone can grow?Oh come on,you know better than that.Before all the legalization nonsense started there was a thriving dope industry in this country.It didn't blossom the last few years when legalization started,its been anywhere and everywhere.And its still thriving,legalization hasn't stopped anything ,a lot of growers still grow it illegally so they don't have to go the legal business route and pay the taxes and follow the regs that go along with running a business.It has removed the fear of getting caught because it no longer has any priority with law enforcement.So now,we have legal and illegal drug businesses running hand in hand.Nothing solved.Anybody that thought it would lives in a fools paradise.



Since I can't quote you saying people won't pay for highly taxed pot, I'm going to respond to you here. I live in a small Illinois town with a dispensary who runs operations throughout Illinois and Michigan as well. They sell grams for $20, ounces for $300. They are slammed full of people every single day of the week. The parking lot is filled to the brim with out of staters from Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana. They do tons of business and bring in tons of tax money. The pot is taxed based on its potency. There are 3 tiers of tax, where the highest tier is taxed up to 18% I believe. This place's prices are more than double what you can pay for pot on the street ($10 grams, $120 ounces). So yes, know-it-all, there are tons of people willing to pay their money over over priced, over taxed pot.


And there are tons more that don't.So now you have a thriving legal AND illegal drug industry.Legalizing didn't solve a thing.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993560
11/13/23 02:09 PM
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Buck now they don't fill the prisons up with people for pot. That does solve a problem .

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993598
11/13/23 03:37 PM
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Just what we needed, another class of crap faced idiots on the nations highways.


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Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993638
11/13/23 04:48 PM
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Ok. If a marijuana dispensary gets robbed for 100000 cash and 50 lbs of pot . How is the robbers caught and sent to prison? It's federally illegal to have 50 lbs of pot ? So HOW do you file report? Asking for a friend ?? LloL!

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: steeltraps] #7993640
11/13/23 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Ok. If a marijuana dispensary gets robbed for 100000 cash and 50 lbs of pot . How is the robbers caught and sent to prison? It's federally illegal to have 50 lbs of pot ? So HOW do you file report? Asking for a friend ?? LloL!


Violated State law. I'm still wondering, if the State collects these taxes in cash, where do they keep all this cash and how do they pay for stuff with the cash?

P.S. Where do I apply for this State cash collecting job? smile

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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: BigBob] #7993644
11/13/23 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Just what we needed, another class of crap faced idiots on the nations highways.



Do you truly believe they are not allready out there. If so your very sheltered or just native.

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