Or wisdom and a discerning mind as Solomon was granted by God

I go back to your charge - I have no zeal for an institution - only a zeal for Christ. You quoted it with your admonishment of hidden rules for those that might ridicule it.

Is your hearts desire for Christ and to make Him known - or for Freemasons and the secrets they protect? What does a high degreed mason think of Lucifer?

What someone else thinks of lucifer has no bearing on my heart.

Your reading comprehension needs some work. We are done.

Are there any secrets regarding the freemasons and lucifer? How are we to determine if it's an organization that Christians of any stripe should participate in unless we know?

Maybe it's a Nancy Pelosi Obamacare kinda thing-you gotta join the organization to know what's in it.

Not that I have witnessed, read or spoken.

As a trapper can I see the books of the NTA or FTA?

Totally wrong! I am worthy of death and to live in sin and shame apart from Christ. See, I live under grace now thank God. I am not worthy - Jesus is! I have been redeemed! I was dead and now am alive in Christ Jesus. I will receive so much better than what I am worthy of - thank You Jesus. I do not have to achieve some level or degree to be enlightened! I freely receive because Jesus paid my price. No secret, no shame, nothing hidden. Free and available to all who seek. He stands there waiting patiently.

I would like to know what the Freemasons rituals are. However, since they are secret I guess most us we will never know. Of course, the Catholic Church is all about rituals but not secret at least most of the ones we know of. However, Electing a new Pope is a ritual behind close doors.

Simply Google some quotes and references of High Degreed Freemasons in what they believe about Lucifer. Names, books, and pages are all available.
As for me and my house - we will serve the Lord. I have no need for anything any masonic lodge could offer.
Matthew 7:22-24 and Matthew 24:5-31

Yah right. Bidens a catholic,

TreedaBlackDog, what are your thoughts on other men's organizations?

What do you think about Odd Fellows? They've got secret stuff.
American Legion?
Lions Club?
Boy Scouts?

Does your church CEO make it's 501C3 line item deductions on his income tax open to the pew sitter in the congregation and general public or are they kept secret?

You can easily buy the books and other publications of the Masons at estate auctions and used book stores. You can buy the rings, pins and other accoutrements too.

It's not that secret.

Keith

Smoke a pope.

Shouldn't you guys be beating up on Muslims not Catholics?

Naw Dirt. Anyone's fair game on T man. Like tag team wrestling.

Gets dicey when you/I/we pick apart a religion that members here practice. I don't mind a bit if someone challenges my faith but I'm typically reluctant to point out what I consider to be a cult. Is there a practicing Muslim here? I don't know of any.

Hobbietrapper, no apology needed,accepted non the less, I get curious sometimes as to what people think they know or how self righteous and Jaded they have become. Thought about my post for awhile before my curiosity got the better of me...It's all good....Mark

Of the mens organizations you have listed - I have no need. Most mens organizations I have seen and observed are attended by drunks. I was not impressed with the leadership of the NTA in Iowa when I personally witnessed those leaders as well getting drunk and rowdy. Did not surprise me in the least when I heard about sexual harassment case being filed.

The church I attend has open business meetings and one could look at all costs and see where every penny is spent. I am not a member but attend 95% of the time unless I am at another ministry event I go to 5 times a year to pour into and build up other men. Several times I have personally heard even non-members can go to the business meetings. I see no need for anything secret or the need for serving alcohol. I have never seen anyone do better in life by drinking alcohol. Life is tough enough without drinking, smoking, drugs. I struggle enough with lust, anger, lack of self control and true love for others without judgement and materialistic desires.

No alcohol allowed in Masonic lodges. Eric

You might be missing out on some really cool super secret handshake.

Fine with me...I dont drink