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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004020
11/26/23 08:53 AM
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Floyd got what he deserved. Leave it up to the blacks however to make a martyr out of a thug.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: trapdog1] #8004054
11/26/23 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Guilty or not, it appears he needs a shank.

I feel sorry for you.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: CTRAPS] #8004055
11/26/23 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CTRAPS
As long as the person doing the stabbing didn't put a knee on Chauvin, then all is forgiven.

I feel bad for you too.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Yukon John] #8004058
11/26/23 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
In this case I believe the jury had the verdict decided before the trial even started. If not, they certainly sided with the "mostly peaceful" mob standing outside of the courthouse.

Truth


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: James] #8004063
11/26/23 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by James
How you guys can second guess a jury who heard all the evidence presented by both sides, based solely on media reports?

Can you show me how to do that? In my mind, it's not computing.

Jim

you have accused, tried and found D Trump of treason on media reports.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: James] #8004066
11/26/23 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by James
In my experience, twelve jurors tend to balance out in terms of biases and beliefs. But I guess you guys know more than a judge and jury...

...based on your review of the slanted, half-truths told by news media. Your opinions mean NOTHING, of no value whatsoever if that's all you got.

Jim


I have never handled a criminal matter but I know a thing or two about judges and juries.

I read and watched news reports on Chauvin. That's of limited value--my comments are intended to be general.

Back to judges and juries.

The quality of juror has gone down significantly over the last 25 years. I blame social media. People are dumber but think, because of social media, that they are smarter and better informed. Not true. People are less objective and rationale. They are more easily swayed and riled up--like on social media. You can see this in the nuclear civil verdicts. Note that I much prefer rural juries but the same comments apply.

The quality of judge has gone down significantly. When I started the practice, I appeared before Judges who served in WW2 and Korea. Real serious men. Being a judge was an honorable position. Now, the bench has plenty of bad lawyers, now judges, who could not cut it in private practice.

Most importantly, objectively true facts do not matter anymore. Too many have a skewed view of reality and will not believe what is obviously true. Again, I blame social media.

We try cases differently than we did 10 years ago--because of these basic but significant ways that people have changed.

Judges and juries still get it right but can get it wrong--that's why we have appellate courts and things like the Innocence Project.

Whether they got it wrong with Chauvin, I don't know. I tend to think the jury was influenced by the societal implications of an acquittal. But I wasn't in the courtroom.

Despite all of the societal problems bleeding into the judicial system, it's still a system we need to have and protect.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004086
11/26/23 10:01 AM
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I agree Blaine, it's still the best system invented to date.

Originally Posted by James
I. But I guess you guys know more than a judge
Jim


I may not know much but there is a judge that thinks Mar E Lago is worth 18 to 25 million. That is enough to tell me that judges in this day and age are suspect.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004108
11/26/23 10:16 AM
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Just the facts counsellor,just the facts,{not some wingnut talking head opinions)

There is this thing called appeal if there is evidence of an unfair trial or verdict.

Last edited by Boco; 11/26/23 10:18 AM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004124
11/26/23 10:26 AM
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There was much evidence the judge would not allow such as Floyd's past criminal history which would have shown a pattern.
The first autopsy showed that Floyd had multiple drugs in his system and a bad heart. That autopsy was ignored and a second opinion autopsy was allowed that didn't indicate that at all. That he had died of asphyxiation.
There was other evidence that was ignored such as the fact that Floyd fought with the police causing them to pin him on the ground.

When he said he couldn't breath, Chauvin should have let him up. He is guilty of that.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004136
11/26/23 10:39 AM
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It should have been a Manslaughter charge.

"Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that does not involve malice aforethought."

"Malice aforethought means that the defendant had the intent to harm or kill another, or acted with reckless disregard for anotherís life."

He got convicted on two murder counts and a manslaughter.

Are you not just guilty of 1 degree of murder or manslaughter?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004142
11/26/23 10:46 AM
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I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Blaine County] #8004143
11/26/23 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by James
In my experience, twelve jurors tend to balance out in terms of biases and beliefs. But I guess you guys know more than a judge and jury...

...based on your review of the slanted, half-truths told by news media. Your opinions mean NOTHING, of no value whatsoever if that's all you got.

Jim


I have never handled a criminal matter but I know a thing or two about judges and juries.

I read and watched news reports on Chauvin. That's of limited value--my comments are intended to be general.

Back to judges and juries.

The quality of juror has gone down significantly over the last 25 years. I blame social media. People are dumber but think, because of social media, that they are smarter and better informed. Not true. People are less objective and rationale. They are more easily swayed and riled up--like on social media. You can see this in the nuclear civil verdicts. Note that I much prefer rural juries but the same comments apply.

The quality of judge has gone down significantly. When I started the practice, I appeared before Judges who served in WW2 and Korea. Real serious men. Being a judge was an honorable position. Now, the bench has plenty of bad lawyers, now judges, who could not cut it in private practice.

Most importantly, objectively true facts do not matter anymore. Too many have a skewed view of reality and will not believe what is obviously true. Again, I blame social media.

We try cases differently than we did 10 years ago--because of these basic but significant ways that people have changed.

Judges and juries still get it right but can get it wrong--that's why we have appellate courts and things like the Innocence Project.

Whether they got it wrong with Chauvin, I don't know. I tend to think the jury was influenced by the societal implications of an acquittal. But I wasn't in the courtroom.

Despite all of the societal problems bleeding into the judicial system, it's still a system we need to have and protect.


Well what do they say about a blind hog?

Blaine, that describes the entire broken system and truthfully an indictment of us We the People for ultimately we are the jury.

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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Trapper7] #8004149
11/26/23 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.

From the body cam footage, Floyd couldn't breath before Chauvin ever entered the picture.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: J Staton] #8004158
11/26/23 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.

From the body cam footage, Floyd couldn't breath before Chauvin ever entered the picture.

I didn't see that. In that case, if that's true, Chauvin shouldn't have been charged at all. In the trial the prosecution said Floyd said he couldn't breath when he was pinned on the ground. They must not have allowed that part of the cam footage in then.
The other officers shouldn't have been charged with anything.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004160
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RE Warrior's comment. If y'all took my post as criticism of the pending cases against Trump, the J6 idiots or anyone else for whom you are ignoring objective truth, you read it wrong.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Blaine County] #8004188
11/26/23 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
RE Warrior's comment. If y'all took my post as criticism of the pending cases against Trump, the J6 idiots or anyone else for whom you are ignoring objective truth, you read it wrong.


And he goes with if it serves his perverse purpose.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004193
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Blaine County
RE Warrior's comment. If y'all took my post as criticism of the pending cases against Trump, the J6 idiots or anyone else for whom you are ignoring objective truth, you read it wrong.


And he goes with if it serves his perverse purpose.


Spend some time today noodling on the "objective truth" portions of my posts.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004194
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A block south of my house the first bridge over interstae 94 into Wisconsin. I could see the smoke rising from Minneapolis and St.Paul. And I realized just a matter of time till its here !

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Mando] #8004220
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Originally Posted by Mando
Originally Posted by trapdog1
Guilty or not, it appears he needs a shank.

I feel sorry for you.

Just a simple fact. If he had a shank he could defend himself.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004225
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Maybe at one time you could trust a jury. That being when your names, family members, workplace, address wasn't posted for the world to see. Plus death threats and protesters at your home regarding your decision if you don't believe that ask a Supreme court Justice


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