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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: J Staton] #8004258
11/26/23 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.

From the body cam footage, Floyd couldn't breath before Chauvin ever entered the picture.



He said that to the first officer that approached him while he was sitting in the car long before Chauvin came on scene, again he brought it all on himself.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004278
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Trapdog. I miss read your post. My bad.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Trapper7] #8004283
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.

Do you know how many dirt bags lie and try to pull b.s. on police officers? If you watch "The fall of Minneapolis" Google it. It shows everything from the beginning on police body cam. You might change your mind. He was strung out on drugs and resisted from the get go. The police were more than patient. The whole thing is unfortunate, but if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Trapper7] #8004324
11/26/23 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.


You can not speak if you can't breathe. It's physically impossible. The fact that he could speak and speak a lot, proved beyond any doubt, whatsoever, that Floyd could breathe.

Keith

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: KeithC] #8004345
11/26/23 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I agree. He should have let Floyd up when he said he couldn't breath.


You can not speak if you can't breathe. It's physically impossible. The fact that he could speak and speak a lot, proved beyond any doubt, whatsoever, that Floyd could breathe.

Keith


I've said that many times to children while coaching novice wrestling.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004393
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Floyed was a felon and obese druggie. He died because he was unhealthy and fat out of shape.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Mando] #8004407
11/26/23 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mando
Trapdog. I miss read your post. My bad.

All good, man. All good!

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8004430
11/26/23 05:33 PM
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"We need to remember that when police officers take a prisoner into custody they have just become “short term” corrections (custody) officers

This statement sometimes surprises street officers who often don’t understand all the implications of having a prisoner in their “custody.” It doesn’t matter whether you are a police officer transporting a prisoner from a street arrest scene, a police officer picking up a prisoner for court, a police officer transporting a sick inmate, a detective taking a prisoner out of lock up to a remote site for an interview, or an airport police officer holding a person for transport, you are now responsible for that prisoner’s “care and wellbeing.”

Understanding this concept will keep you safer—both physically and legally. Police officers, once you take a subject into custody that person becomes a prisoner. He or she is now in custody and you are totally responsible for their “care and wellbeing” until such time as you request additional assistance and find other law enforcement, medical healthcare professionals, or mental health professional to assist you or are able to turn the prisoner over to other appropriate public safety professionals. In other words, YOU ARE IT. You need to understand this and understand how to do your job properly, legally, and safely. Once you take the subject into custody you are, in fact, a correctional (custody) officer with all the responsibilities an officer working in a custody assignment has. You need to understand the rules and learn how to play the game—a game that can cost you money, your job, and even your freedom if you don’t do it well. Welcome to the wonderful word of corrections.

First of all, you need to understand that prisoners in custody have a new set of rights based on their status as a prisoner. They are in your “care and custody” and you are responsible for them until you can turn them over to someone else. For a street officer this is usually to a corrections facility; but it could be a hospital and/or mental health facility; or in some cases to a responsible adult. While the prisoner is in your “care and custody”, you need to understand a basic correctional concept referred to as the "first responder philosophy.""

Source: Police 1

"The bottom line is that for all prisoners in custody, you are responsible not only their immediate medical wellbeing but also their long-term monitoring. This long(er) term monitoring spans the entire time that the prisoner is under your span of control—whether that be 5 minutes or 5 hours. This term refers to a prisoner’s long term medical, mental health, and/or security needs. Once a prisoner is taken into custody, whether on the street or in a correctional, medical, mental health, or treatment facility, the staff is responsible not only for their immediate medical condition but for monitoring their “long term” medical, mental health, and security needs. This is where the disconnect begins.

Street officers are usually able to get the prisoner restrained. They also understand that they need to take care of the prisoner’s immediate medical needs but often don’t understand that they need to continue to monitor their prisoner’s medical condition. This failure to continue to monitor the prisoner’s medical status often occurs with tragic and long-term consequences for both the officers involved and their agencies as in the case of a custody death."


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8005070
11/27/23 09:31 AM
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"The three guilty verdicts against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin indicate the jury believed he caused the death of George Floyd not intentionally, but with negligence and reckless disregard."

See how that fits? IMHO it should have just been manslaughter.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8005115
11/27/23 11:06 AM
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I f Chauvin had been convicted of manslaughter blm and the paid rioters would have decided that wasn't enough and went back to burning the city down. Judge, jury, mayor, governor, and everyone involved new it.

Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: Guss] #8005123
11/27/23 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Guss
Floyed was a felon and obese druggie. He died because he was unhealthy and fat out of shape.

The original autopsy said he had a fatal dose of fentanyl in his blood, a 75% clogged artery, and a bad heart. But, that autopsy was rejected and another autopsy was used in court that said in all probability choking by Chauvin is what caused his death.


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Re: Chauvin stabbed [Re: warrior] #8006618
11/29/23 03:54 AM
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The "Fall of Minneapolis is on YouTube. At least 3 of the accounts of posters have been deleted. People keep putting it back up.

The prosecutors deserve to be imprisoned for the lies they told and the illegal activities they took part in. The police chief and mayor deserve to be imprisoned too.

Keith

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