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Diabetics #8005220
11/27/23 03:19 PM
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Several on here have it myself included and I have been hearing a lot about the keto diet to help with it and also CBD gummies and oil to help lower A1C was just wondering if anyone had tried either one and what the results you had were?

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carnivore diet

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005235
11/27/23 03:57 PM
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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005239
11/27/23 04:14 PM
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I have had high blood sugar at times so I’m trying to watch it. I don’t think I have diabetes and I know I don’t take cbd’s but definitely not because the ADA or FDA hasn’t approved it. Their both in big pharma’s pocket as far as I’m concerned.

In the link they talk about no noticeable effect on blood sugar but studies are still being done on animals. Also list a pile of scary side effects through out the article.

I have no idea if dope works for diabetics or not. But if it does work, I doubt big pharma will allow anyone to endorse it. Until they figure out how to control it that is.

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005243
11/27/23 04:27 PM
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My wife has diabetes, she also has a Medical marijuana permit, for her it did nothing for the diabetes, it does help, a little, for her MS....She's on Ozempic now for diabetes but she's not getting the results most people on it get...It has helped a little.... depends on the person...

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005244
11/27/23 04:31 PM
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type 2 diagnosed 9/2021 A1C of 12.1

been on Virta since 9/2022 my health insurance company suggested it and pays for it it is diabetic specific monitoring , coaching and diet help with a coach and doctor.

I already had my A1C down on my own with a very low carb diet running 6.4 to 6.8

most insurance companies have some type of program like this so if you are ask it makes monitoring supplies very easy I have an app and when I need more strips I tell it to send me more it also graphs my glucose and ketones

the 6.8 a1c are almost always my late summer early fall number because I do eat tomatoes and a some apples only good ones and only in season but still decent.

I take 1 metformin before bed that is my only medication besides my blood thinner , almost everyone in my family my is on a thinner after 40 genetic thick blood .

you can if your not too far gone do a LOT with diet.


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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005245
11/27/23 04:31 PM
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I’d say see a nutritionist first because you will be overwhelmed with the advice you do get and underwhelmed with the info that’s out there on the web. Few agree on much in many areas of the best diet if you listen to all of the advice you can’t eat anything then maybe tree bark. A guy has to eat something so just be smart about it. No sugar, sweets, ice cream or pastries, processed grains, potatoes and starch foods.

I don’t cheat on the sugar/sweets/ice cream/pastries ever that’s just stupid to do that. The breads, cereals, chips, potato’s very seldom.

My diet is 2-3 fruits a day, eggs, bacon, sausage and whole grain bread 1 slice with sugar free jelly or oatmeal in the morning most days meats and veggies for dinner sometimes half a sweet potato. I like butter as long as my cholesterol stays low and I avoid salt every chance I get.

My research on sweeteners points to Stevia has the least impact on your sugar levels compared to other sweeteners monk fruit is a close second. Be careful a lot of non sugar sweeteners are still basically sugar. If you think that hit piece on Stevia was valid the problem they pointed out was not caused by Stevia but they failed to point that out. They claimed the heart problems were caused by an alcohol additive that’s added to many non sugar sweeteners to give them the sugar like texture crystals. If you want to avoid the alcohol additive Stevia comes in a liquid form and a little goes a long ways.

Start at a base line and go from there don’t let them talk you into becoming a human pin cushion until you’ve set a base to start from. Being Diabetic sucks as it is, just with the diet alone so just embrace the suck and do your research your body is not my body it all works differently. I see a lot of diabetics that take their meds to maintain their bad eating habits not to be any healthier.


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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005254
11/27/23 04:41 PM
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Type 1 or type 2?

Type 2 diabetics have a lot of management options that are not available to type 1. For type 1, you can lower the amount of insulin you need, but in the end all that means is that you inject 10 units instead of 12, and that is basically no difference other than the number you dial on the pen or pump.

One interesting and surprising thing I learned this year…. Two nights in a row I did my normal insulin dosage, and both nights I had nearly dangerously low blood sugar late at night. My monitor alerted me, so I woke up several times each night to get sugar, so I was not in serious danger, just bad night of sleep two nights in a row. It never even occurred to me because I had no idea, but I had eaten a nice mess of hen of the woods (Mitake) mushroom each evening with dinner. The third afternoon, I was running low on shroom stash, and thought I would do some research to see if they grow under any trees other than the white oak family, which are the only trees I have ever found them under, and in one of the articles it listed health benefits - you guessed it, one of them is “lowers blood sugar”. That one sure hit home. Without even knowing about that claim I had confirmed it. And it was not just a little bit, my sugars TANKED both nights. Worth noting that for type 1 diabetics that is not much of a “health benefit”, but a potentially dangerous effect. I suspect that for type 2, that effect could be useful.

I still eat the hens, but now I half my insulin per gram of carbs and that seems to be about right.


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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005268
11/27/23 05:12 PM
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get test strips , start writing down everything you eat , everything

this helped me the most , you can actually buy strips and a basic meter from Walmart the strips are about 20 for 100 strips
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ReliOn-P.../575088197?athbdg=L1600&from=/search

take your glucose the same time the lab at the DR does within a few minutes so you can adjust your number to their more accurate number
the strips can be off but they can give you a good monitor average
take your glucose often 3-4 times a day till you figure yourself out. log it in your food log.

I wrote down what time and what I ate for a couple months to find my hidden sugars like milk 12g of carbs per cup when you drink a quart at a meal that is big.
I actually did mine as a google doc so I could edit it from my phone and would just do the talk to type at each meal. this made it easy to do and keep anywhere I went.

your activity is also huge
I could probably eat about anything if I was headed out the door to do deer drives all day or walk miles pheasant hunting

but if I am not doing much walking for the day I need to watch any extra carb

the dietician at the clinic was mostly a waste of time , she started in with telling me to eat whole wheat bread I had her look up the carbs in whole wheat vs White and caught her in the lie they like to buy
by the way Brownberry whole wheat 21 grams per slice
brownberry Italian 19g per slice
now you could argue the wheat has 3g of fiber and fiber slows down intake of sugar
but the Italian has 1 gr so they come out with the fiber math wheat at 21-3=18 and Italian 19-1=18 a tie
my experience is total carbs = carbs and fiber might slow down absorption but that only helps you if your working it off.

your trying to meter in the fuel so your never starving for fuel and your never flooded

as a type 2 your unlikely to actually ever starve for fuel your issue is high blood sugar even on a fast, that is part of the problem your body does more on less fuel because your cells are insulin resistant and you will start converting fat to energy at some point and you probably have a little extra fat to use up.

if your taking insulin then you can OD on insulin and go low blood sugar and cause problems so you have to watch it differently


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Re: Diabetics [Re: gcs] #8005271
11/27/23 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gcs
My wife has diabetes, she also has a Medical marijuana permit, for her it did nothing for the diabetes, it does help, a little, for her MS....She's on Ozempic now for diabetes but she's not getting the results most people on it get...It has helped a little.... depends on the person...

Type 1 ot type 2

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005326
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I'm type 2 diabetic. My VA doctor got me on Ozempic which lowered A1C frrom 8 to 6.8 and lost 15 lbs.

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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005330
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I’m type 1, 23 years. Staying active helps me.

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005344
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I recently found out that I have type 2 diabetes. I was on Keto when I found out. Keto is low sugar and carbs yes, but it's also about eating often. Being diabetic a person needs to fast as often and as long as possible. I take gummies from time to time to give me some relief from the Neuropathy and to help keep me from kicking the crap out of my wife in bed on the bad nights. I do still try to follow the keto program as far as what I eat, but I don't eat as often as needed for it to help loose weight. And losing weight is the biggest challenge that a diabetic faces. It's gonna take some trial and error to find what works best for you and stick with it.


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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005458
11/27/23 08:49 PM
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I’m still trying to figure out how I can eat less of everything and still not be hungry. LOL I’m used to eating a lot because I’m always busy doing something. So now I’m still busy and always hungry I’m down 30 pounds that I did not need to lose so I will see what my test say in January the Doc was talking about trying a different med.


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Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005504
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Type 2 here. For me, to drop A1c = 40 to 50 carbs per meal. but to lose weight 25 to 35 carbs per day. I'm on glipizede and farsega (spelling) they have me dropping A1c numbers with watching what I eat so close. the 25 to 35 carbs is tough to start with but you would be surprised how much you can eat. (meats, cheeses, heavy cream, butter, green beens...)

Re: Diabetics [Re: rex123] #8005544
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Type 2 here.... at first A1c was 9.6, sugars were 390. Changed diet to little carbs, salads, etc. Was prescribed metformin but didn't take it. A year later, A1c to 6.2, sugars mid 100's. 2nd year fell off diet wagon, A1c to 6.9, not bad but like food. Started metformin, diarrhea, not good response on sugars. Education with specialist and wore a monitor for 10 days to see how various food affect sugars. Bananas are no bueno for my sugar levels, amongest other things I thought were good for me. I thought alcohol was bad but it turns out that it actually lowers blood sugars. Now on Ozempic, A1c to 5.6, lost 30 lbs, foods that cause diarrhea immediately are easy to figure out now. Apple pie goes straight through but pumpkin doesn't. Sometimes I say screw it, who really needs toes anyway, and eat what I want and get the ruins. Strange disease for sure.

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