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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: dogdown] #8040397
01/04/24 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dogdown
Instead of sending billions of dollars to foreign countries, why not spend the money to secure our schools. Train teachers that want to be a first line of defense instead of just another number. Secured deadly lethal force only accesseable by those that have been trained and are willing to save innocent lives. AI in security systems to recognize threats. Secured doors at all times and no one, absolutely no one enters unless buzzed in.
I know, it cost to much money. Apparently more than what a kids life is worth.
As I said, spend the money that goes overseas or all the money that is spent during the election circus and we could make a move in the right direction.
But politicians don't get rich from this.
A few lives lost, more support on both sides of the isle in the form of donations is what it basically boils down to.

I agree. They could use the money for mental health too.

I don't know why these POS can't just kill themselves without taking someone with them if they are so set on it.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040427
01/04/24 11:01 PM
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Gun control advocates-ban ar(s)- gonna have a problem realizing that pistols and shotguns kill too. That will throw a wrench into their agenda.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040433
01/04/24 11:05 PM
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I never heard what guns were used, so I'm sure it wasn't an AR 15. The media would find that more important than the kids that were killed and injured.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040440
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Reports say handgun and shotgun. Also, bomb located.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: jalstat] #8040533
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Originally Posted by jalstat
It’s amazing I graduated in 1982 class of 42 kids . There were guns in cars and trucks everyday and never was there an incident other than a fist fight usually involving a gal but after they determined who was a bigger dog that was the end of it , just don’t understand the non respect for life

Roe vs Wade !!
( no respect for life?


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: dogdown] #8040613
01/05/24 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dogdown
Gun control advocates-ban ar(s)- gonna have a problem realizing that pistols and shotguns kill too. That will throw a wrench into their agenda.

No, they will just scream louder about banning more guns. They want them ALL gone, they just don't have the balls to tell you that up front.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040616
01/05/24 08:09 AM
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If you watch the press brief video , they mention having psychologists/councillors inbedded in the school system already and are offering help to the students/staff for grief counselling.

Why were these resources not effective in preventing this event ?


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Cragar] #8040655
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Originally Posted by Cragar
If you watch the press brief video , they mention having psychologists/councillors inbedded in the school system already and are offering help to the students/staff for grief counselling.

Why were these resources not effective in preventing this event ?

How would they stop something like this?

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: trapdog1] #8040734
01/05/24 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Cragar
If you watch the press brief video , they mention having psychologists/councillors inbedded in the school system already and are offering help to the students/staff for grief counselling.

Why were these resources not effective in preventing this event ?

How would they stop something like this?

I always thought that having psychological resources in a school system was to help and identify problem youth before it went totally out of control.


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040748
01/05/24 11:14 AM
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They said some of the kids were interviewed and said the 17 year old shooter was being bullied.
Back in my day we had kids that were bullied, but they never thought about doing anything about it.

I think some kids in today's society are cruel. I saw on the show, "See No Evil" where a girl was bullied in school and on the internet by some other girls. She got emails saying, "I wish you were dead", or "the world would be a better place if you weren't in it." She ended up killing herself eventually. True story.


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040752
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They can identify problems and try to help, but that's about it. No way to really know what some nut job is going to do and stop it before it happens.

Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040776
01/05/24 11:41 AM
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No consequences for violent behavior. If a kid bullies someone regularly they are classified as having anger issues and the school can't hold that child accountable for not having the ability to restrain themselves. If the kid who is bullied reacts and protects themselves then they're punished under the 0 tolerance policy, but the bully can't be punished cause they have issues. Also most schools with a 0 tolerance policy get increased funding if no bullying is reported at their school. If it's not reported then it doesn't happen and if it doesn't happen then there is no need for consequences. Follow the money.


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040779
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Sad that it's come to this, but armed guards at all schools would be a start.
We have a few former military men on our firearms training team who are retired that said they would volunteer for the job.
Hire a few extra police officers specifically for this job in addition to some trained volunteers.
This show of force might help deter some of these lunatics.


It's not always about catching fish. That's what people who don't catch fish usually say.
Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Cragar] #8040822
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Originally Posted by Cragar

I always thought that having psychological resources in a school system was to help and identify problem youth before it went totally out of control.


it isn't uncommon to have 1 psychologist resource for a district of 600+ students

they spend very little if any time actually interacting with students , mostly reviewing the documentation of education plans for special needs kids or identified problem kids.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
No consequences for violent behavior. If a kid bullies someone regularly they are classified as having anger issues and the school can't hold that child accountable for not having the ability to restrain themselves. If the kid who is bullied reacts and protects themselves then they're punished under the 0 tolerance policy, but the bully can't be punished cause they have issues. Also most schools with a 0 tolerance policy get increased funding if no bullying is reported at their school. If it's not reported then it doesn't happen and if it doesn't happen then there is no need for consequences. Follow the money.


the kids have also figured out phycological bullying , they never lay a hand on them and know in exact detail what can and can't be proven as actual bullying so it is a Mind game driving the their prey nutz

that is no excuse for shooting up a place

but this stuff is happening so much that angry youth who could lash out would give you 5000 false positives to every actor of violence.

in the end the only fail safe that actually works is armed personnel at the school to end it seconds after it starts. that in it's self appears to also be the best deterrent.
when a high % are stopped in seconds the evens seem to slow down in number , much the same way when police solve and publicly show a very high % of murders are solved murders go down but when an area has a very low % of solved homicides the death continues.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8040844
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Gun violence serves the political agenda, Money for prevention trickles down to nothing another cash cow Our High School locked the doors on the large parking lot side because the other side (main office) has the one camara but my granddaughter told me just go thru the bus garage its always open


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: jeff karsten] #8040876
01/05/24 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Gun violence serves the political agenda, Money for prevention trickles down to nothing another cash cow Our High School locked the doors on the large parking lot side because the other side (main office) has the one camara but my granddaughter told me just go thru the bus garage its always open



You said a mouthful right there, and it's true...The left actually relishes these events because they can further their agenda. Proven by a disproportionate amount of coverage dedicated to gun control vs. the real issues around these school shootings.

One more thing, when we use terms like "gun violence" we are doing their bidding...Words matter, and you never hear about knife violence, baseball bat violence, etc.

This term is by design to demonize guns...Thug violence or defective human being violence would be more accurate, but can't be saying that because it has to be the guns fault.



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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: jeff karsten] #8040888
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Gun violence serves the political agenda, Money for prevention trickles down to nothing another cash cow Our High School locked the doors on the large parking lot side because the other side (main office) has the one camara but my granddaughter told me just go thru the bus garage its always open


when I was in HS smokers would duck out to catch a smoke , school locked the doors but fire code states you have to have every door accessible form inside ,, so they waved at someone passing the door who let them in or stuck a note book in the door so it stayed un latched that was >30 years ago

even at that doors mean nothing several shooters just shoot the glass out of the door and let themselves in up side it lets people know they are coming

people want to pay lip service to taking measures but unless your measures are cameras on every door that are actually monitored , barriers to buy time and then a response team to handle any situation and doors that will hold for more than a few seconds.

school shootings as much as you hear about them are actually very few some quick numbers tallied up there appear to be about 250K schools public , private preK through college even if we just go K-12 public and private your looking at around150K actual school events is actually very low.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

for 2022 the FBI reported in their annual report 61 active shooter events 4 of those took place in schools sort of 1 was a school bus being shot at while picking up students.
3 where at schools 2 had deaths the Uvalde shooting made for higher than normal deaths 23 people were killed in 2022 at education facilities other than Uvalde there were 2 deaths at a school in 2022 from active shooters.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2022-042623.pdf/view

the average of student athlete sudden cardiac event deaths during a sport event or practice averages 55 a year in physician checked athletes with no prior condition.
https://newsroom.heart.org/news/nca...r-20-years-still-higher-in-some-athletes

2 events with deaths in hundreds of thousands of schools so you can see when it actually comes to spending budget dollars on the issue where it probably ranks after they pay it lip service

the police response absolutely changes deaths , if we kept 2 officers within 2 minutes of every school we would probably see this significantly decreased , easiest way to do that is make an office space for officers to do paperwork, make phone calls and file reports at as many schools as possible as well as always keeping a squad within a mile of the school handling traffic enforcement or as a school resource officer

locked doors , drills , training , all good things but all part of a plan not the whole plan and the data keeps telling us the alerting and response after the call is the most crucial in number of deaths.


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Re: School shooting Perry Iowa [Re: Tactical.20] #8041849
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The shooter was Dylan Butler, who was transgender. Statistically, transgender people are more likely to end up in prison than any other demographic, including African American males, because of mental issues from their terribly imbalanced hormone system.

https://www.sdlgbtn.com/the-high-rate-of-incarceration-among-transgender-people/

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Originally Posted by dogdown
Instead of sending billions of dollars to foreign countries, why not spend the money to secure our schools. Train teachers that want to be a first line of defense instead of just another number. Secured deadly lethal force only accesseable by those that have been trained and are willing to save innocent lives. AI in security systems to recognize threats. Secured doors at all times and no one, absolutely no one enters unless buzzed in.
I know, it cost to much money. Apparently more than what a kids life is worth.
As I said, spend the money that goes overseas or all the money that is spent during the election circus and we could make a move in the right direction.
But politicians don't get rich from this.
A few lives lost, more support on both sides of the isle in the form of donations is what it basically boils down to.

The people need to save themselves. A political party won't. Never have, never will.

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