Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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01/12/24 02:20 PM
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What’s blown away? Over $50 average? I'm not going to speculate with numbers but think we could see a significant uptick in the average over last year. This is just a guess, but I'd wager that the beaver hatter market is about at its peak. Any uptick in beaver pelt prices would have to be due to increased demand for higher quality heavies...not used for felt......and I haven't read/heard of that demand increasing.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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01/12/24 02:51 PM
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I guess folks have a short memory. Yeah, go ahead, hang on to them, this beaver market is going to keep going up. Ask people who have freezers full of coyotes if it was a good idea to hang on to them. Canada Goose got Peta'd and suddenly there was no need for coyote fur. Look up what trajectory the felt hat market is on right now. It's the high quality beaver felt hats pushing that market, the cheaper wool and rabbit fur stuff hat are doing well too but I don't think will knock out the use of beaver for the premier hat makers. Great point beaverpeeler, and I agree with you, but everything comes to an end. Enjoy the ride while it's here; use your best judgment when to jump off.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: mike mason]
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01/12/24 03:23 PM
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Take the $100/lb. for western select subtract 25% for shrinkage and 11% commission and you are down to $64/lb. And boy oh boy is my WNY castor worth a lot less than Western select. I'm grinding all mine for lure except for a few of the very best. I sell when the markets high and grind when the markets low. This for me is a grind year.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: mike mason]
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01/12/24 03:24 PM
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Take the $100/lb. for western select subtract 25% for shrinkage and 11% commission and you are down to $64/lb. may I place an interjection here; For your 10% of the shipment that's 64$ and the rest stays unsold 90% of your load, drying up to nothing the next weighing
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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01/12/24 03:37 PM
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Canada Goose got Peta'd and suddenly there was no need for coyote fur. Look up what trajectory the felt hat market is on right now. It's the high quality beaver felt hats pushing that market, the cheaper wool and rabbit fur stuff hat are doing well too but I don't think will knock out the use of beaver for the premier hat makers. I feel that Richard Hilton getting shut down on the auction he was planning on selling his 200,000 tanned coyotes at hurt the coyote market more than Canada Goose did. When NDFTA had its sale going there was one buyer that claimed he was buying for Canada Goose and he never bought a coyote. Was Hilton selling all of his coyotes to Canada Goose?
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/12/24 04:17 PM
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The markets down compared to what Jerry sold his for last year.
He averaged 30.30 each..across the board...all in...kits, all sizes and there were even a couple that were half eaten by bobcats included. The guy knew and said throw em on the scale.. and he got 30.30 for those too and he got his money when he sold them and he didn't end up having beaver that got bug damage waiting to be sold at FH and he had no commission.
If ya got em ya better dump em fast.
In 6 to 8 weeks the beaver markets gonna be different, it's fixing to take a hard hit.
I just had a phone call telling me a different story-and he's a serious player in the business-the price just jumped up-not down
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/12/24 05:26 PM
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Gonna be a great year at the upcoming auction sales in North Bay. Cold enough now to frostscrape so should have the 3 freezers emptied out of everything and put up in short order.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/12/24 08:51 PM
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I just dropped off money fur at the FHA agent. Didn't see any beaver. Guess nobody here is excited about $30 beaver. What year is this? Oh yeah, 2024. Not 1980.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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Were polluted with 30 dollar bills here. Might as well pick them up.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/12/24 09:48 PM
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By holding fur do you guys mean waiting for the FHA sale? Those that did that last year were rewarded nicely. Just look at what most beaver sold in the country did prior to last year's first FHA sale...with the exception of one sale (I think in Arkansas) most beaver sold for a lot less than what they went for later at FHA.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Take the $100/lb. for western select subtract 25% for shrinkage and 11% commission and you are down to $64/lb. may I place an interjection here; For your 10% of the shipment that's 64$ and the rest stays unsold 90% of your load, drying up to nothing the next weighing I've never been a big proponent of shipping castor to FHA but with country prices so low i feel like this year I have little to lose so I'm going to give it a shot. I'll let y'all know if it was stupid or not later. LOL
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: Northof50]
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Seems that closer to the auction GFW has raised their beaver prices .....up waiting for their next live broadcast to hear
Interesting. Indication of lower than expected available beaver offerings? Not sure of any other reason to increase prices ...
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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The markets down compared to what Jerry sold his for last year.
He averaged 30.30 each..across the board...all in...kits, all sizes and there were even a couple that were half eaten by bobcats included. The guy knew and said throw em on the scale.. and he got 30.30 for those too and he got his money when he sold them and he didn't end up having beaver that got bug damage waiting to be sold at FH and he had no commission.
If ya got em ya better dump em fast.
In 6 to 8 weeks the beaver markets gonna be different, it's fixing to take a hard hit.
I just had a phone call telling me a different story-and he's a serious player in the business-the price just jumped up-not down You'd better seller now, lol, and I let me know how your market is in 6 to 8 weeks... And Our "serious player" and main source of info handles 10s of 1000s of beaver and pounds and pounds and pounds..like 1000s of pounds of castor with international contracts . And he says and has been saying they beaver are starting to meet with resistance and he expects them to take a hard hit. Gibb..is there any truth to the rumor that groenwald..and you..as an agent for grownwald , bought the castor FH had for sale since their last sale? It's kinda been hush hush with no prices being admitted too but that is the rumor in the castor market 8⃣ now I know what it was offered to our buyer for and it was a lower price than the market at the time but he had enough for his orders and didn't wanna hold it cause he knew the market was gonna tank so he passed. He's very happy he did because there's been 10 .00 castor bought in the country by GF. Our source was contacted by FH and asked if he was interested in buying the castor they had for sale and he passed, thabkfully for him..
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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01/13/24 01:47 PM
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Seems that closer to the auction GFW has raised their beaver prices .....up waiting for their next live broadcast to hear
Interesting. Indication of lower than expected available beaver offerings? Not sure of any other reason to increase prices ...later harvested beaver have more felt, weight of felt extraction does matter in this market
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/13/24 02:03 PM
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Time will tell Cathryn. It looks like I'll have to take your advice and sell early.... by default, since I haven't got any way to get my beaver into North Bay economically since our FHA agent passed. If I had that option I would take it since I'm not convinced that the felt market has completely peaked. I've sold a lot of beaver for less than $10 averages so right now I'm in hog heaven no matter.
Last year I averaged $26 locally on my best beaver and then when the rest of my beaver (that I got about a $21-22 offer on) hit the second FHA sale they averaged $33 before commissions.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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01/13/24 02:08 PM
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The overall auction avg could go down because there will be more crap beaver pushed into the pipeline after the auction sales last year. But good beaver will be higher than last year,and that is the only avg that I care about. The posted auction averages do not reflect the avg for our section of fur here.
On the other hand if there are lots of buyers competing for limited quantities it could be a real rodeo-seen that happen many many times over the last 50 years at the auction on various species.
If that happens,the spring auction with its higher percentage of HVY beaver will be interesting.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: Northof50]
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01/13/24 02:14 PM
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later harvested beaver have more felt, weight of felt extraction does matter in this market
Didn't seem to matter last spring.....paying close to same avg for southern as northern....what's changed?
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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Time will tell Cathryn. It looks like I'll have to take your advice and sell early.... by default, since I haven't got any way to get my beaver into North Bay economically since our FHA agent passed. If I had that option I would take it since I'm not convinced that the felt market has completely peaked. I've sold a lot of beaver for less than $10 averages so right now I'm in hog heaven no matter.
Last year I averaged $26 locally on my best beaver and then when the rest of my beaver (that I got about a $21-22 offer on) hit the second FHA sale they averaged $33 before commissions. And those comissions stay with the trappers to run our auction house,not into some private guys big personal bank account.
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