will/trust
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01/15/24 08:26 AM
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chelsea,wi
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I've been procrastinating on this for a decade or so.........so I come to the T-man brain trust for info.....apparently a will doesn't do much, and I need to set up a trust. Does 1 trust cover all, or do I need a separate trust for real estate? From what I've read so far I want a revocable trust. Any and all info from yous is appreciated, Thank You
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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01/15/24 08:30 AM
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I went to an attorney that specializes in Estate Planning to set up all my stuff. On my Real Estate he did a "Transfer on Death Deed".
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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01/15/24 09:00 AM
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Eagleye
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It really starts with what is your desired outcome, preserving the land for future generations, having money available for assisted living costs, leaving inheritance?
Understand the nuisances between each trust type available: With a revocable trust you have the ability to make changes to your assets and beneficiaries at any time as you control the outcome as the grantor. In an irrevocable trust, your assets are assigned to the beneficiaries and cannot be managed or changed by you, without consent of all beneficiaries and/or court action. The caution with a revocable trust is that it is not protected from Medicaid where an irrevocable trust is if you pass the 5-year look back period. It depends on what your family relationships are, will you need the money available for your long-term care or do you want to protect your assets? Assisted living costs can eat into savings very fast. Keep in mind that IRS gift giving guidelines are not the same as Medicaid looks at assets, under Medicaid and for simplicity in understanding it, anything with a title, house, car, land, vacation property, etc. and all financial assets must withstand the 5-year lookback, if you give a daughter/son 10,000, deplete your assets and apply for Medicaid 4 years later- you will be denied and they'll claw back for the dollars given.
We have our main residence in an irrevocable trust- my children basically own the home I'm living in, that works for us because of our family unity. All of my lake property and hunting land and buildings are in an LLC, an LLC affords me the opportunity to have an operating agreement in place to manage the future use, to my desired outcome, my goal is for future generations to enjoy what I created not profit from it. As I mentioned in a previous post, my goal isn't to rule from the grave but to protect my assets for future generations that enjoy the outdoors without financial burden or the risk of losing it. Properties can divide families and unfortunately when people want their money without an LLC in place, attorneys get involved, partition takes place and the property is sold off.
Start with what do you want and find the most appropriate tools to employ - there's no right or wrong choices but based on what you want to happen- there are Good and Bad choices.
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Re: will/trust
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01/15/24 09:09 AM
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You will want to speak with an attorney who is well versed in trusts and estate law. I'm currently going through this with my parents. They had nothing but a will, and when my dad became very ill last year it was too late to do a trust. With my dads passing, I am now working with my mom to get her affairs in order. It's a massive headache, and depending on how her remaining years go... it could just be a disaster.
Both my parents worked very hard to have the life they had and provide for us when we were kids, they want us to reap the benefit of that. But sadly, for as smart as they were/are, that will likely not happen.
At a minimum, make sure you have all the necessary documents for while you are alive (POA, healthcare proxy, advanced directives) and a will. Spend the money to protect your assets both while you are living and when you pass away. Every ones situation is different, and different plans work for different people, but spend the money now to do what you WANT to do and set things up how you want them so that down the road you avoid the headaches and disasters.
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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01/15/24 09:25 AM
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A trust is a good way of holding and passing on your accumulations. Trusts are good but not totally bullet proof. Choose your executor or executors wisely. Use a very good attorney, its a one shot deal.
Osky
Edited to add you can have both, a will and a trust.
Last edited by Osky; 01/15/24 09:27 AM.
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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01/15/24 09:34 AM
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Eagleye gives information consistent with my experience.
TOD's are a pretty easy way to avoid probate for real estate, vehicles, and bank accounts/IRA's. And they are easy to add to titles, deeds, and bank accounts. You die, the property transfers. easy peasy. Trusts are good. A big thing to keep in mind though is that a lot of people set up trusts, and then do not go to the effort to put their property in them. So, when they die, the the property still has to be settled through probate if there is no will.
An Irrevocable Trust has the potential to protect assets from foreclosure/Medicaid(nursing home) providing the 5 year look back is met.
I handled my grandparent's irrevocable trust, will and was POA. I also am POA for my father and am now paying his bills and taking care of finances. CJones is also spot on - get the paperwork done today to make it easier on those dealing with your failing health or left behind.
Finally, I have a Stuff-Hits-The-Fan file (in the event of our untimely or even timely demise) where my kids can find it. It outlines where to find life insurance policies, Wills, Deeds, safety deposit box, and various bank accounts. Coming in after someone has passed and trying to figure out their finances and assets is a challenge to say the least...especially if they were secretive about their finances.
My 2 cents.
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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01/15/24 07:47 PM
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Thank you guys for the great info, I'm going to make a list of questions, and find an attorney
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Re: will/trust
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01/15/24 08:41 PM
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Blow it all while you are alive,dont leave anything. Why work all your life to let someone else Pee it away on crap.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: will/trust
[Re: keets]
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02/18/25 05:41 PM
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If you want flexible control, a revocable trust could be a good choice. Whether you need separate trusts for real estate or other assets depends on how you want to manage them. But it's best to consult with a specialized lawyer for personalized advice, such as from a firm like Oberheiden P.C.
Last edited by SalinaKSCooner; 02/21/25 06:08 PM.
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Re: will/trust
[Re: Eagleye]
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02/18/25 06:04 PM
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It really starts with what is your desired outcome, preserving the land for future generations, having money available for assisted living costs, leaving inheritance?
Understand the nuisances between each trust type available: With a revocable trust you have the ability to make changes to your assets and beneficiaries at any time as you control the outcome as the grantor. In an irrevocable trust, your assets are assigned to the beneficiaries and cannot be managed or changed by you, without consent of all beneficiaries and/or court action. The caution with a revocable trust is that it is not protected from Medicaid where an irrevocable trust is if you pass the 5-year look back period. It depends on what your family relationships are, will you need the money available for your long-term care or do you want to protect your assets? Assisted living costs can eat into savings very fast. Keep in mind that IRS gift giving guidelines are not the same as Medicaid looks at assets, under Medicaid and for simplicity in understanding it, anything with a title, house, car, land, vacation property, etc. and all financial assets must withstand the 5-year lookback, if you give a daughter/son 10,000, deplete your assets and apply for Medicaid 4 years later- you will be denied and they'll claw back for the dollars given.
We have our main residence in an irrevocable trust- my children basically own the home I'm living in, that works for us because of our family unity. All of my lake property and hunting land and buildings are in an LLC, an LLC affords me the opportunity to have an operating agreement in place to manage the future use, to my desired outcome, my goal is for future generations to enjoy what I created not profit from it. As I mentioned in a previous post, my goal isn't to rule from the grave but to protect my assets for future generations that enjoy the outdoors without financial burden or the risk of losing it. Properties can divide families and unfortunately when people want their money without an LLC in place, attorneys get involved, partition takes place and the property is sold off.
Start with what do you want and find the most appropriate tools to employ - there's no right or wrong choices but based on what you want to happen- there are Good and Bad choices. One question. I always heard if it's in an LLC (company) then the taxes are due when it changes hands. Might have mistaken what I was told. AS for it having to be sold. NOT if your will states it goes to someone and it's filed thru an attorney
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Re: will/trust
[Re: Boco]
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02/18/25 07:35 PM
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Blow it all while you are alive,dont leave anything. Why work all your life to let someone else Pee it away on crap. This is my plan!
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Re: will/trust
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02/18/25 10:37 PM
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Blow it all while you are alive,dont leave anything. Why work all your life to let someone else Pee it away on crap. This is my plan! Me too.
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