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Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: Steven 49er] #8053816
01/18/24 07:42 PM
01/18/24 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er


One factor of politics that has not changed is without the MTA and people like goldy is we would be trapping the way we do today. The politics in St Paul is we are target as often as not

Maybe someday 160 will explain what event happened to cause him to reach the conclusion he has.

Eventually lifetime memberships become a drain on budgets as the accumulated cost to service a member becomes far greater than what said member paid.

I have been told it currently costs approximately 30 dollars a year to service an average member every year. That figure is higher if the member is getting the trappers post. I don't know what , if any break the MTA gets from TP for a years subscription, if one purchases the subscription individually it's 21 dollars.

100 dollar 3 year membership is a bargain at those figures


I explained it in detail to the MTA president when I asked to cancel my lifetime membership. I figured that would give him an opportunity to apologize and he didn't take it so I just washed my hands of the whole thing. I am done and out. The details are between him and I. If wishes to post the email, he sure can but I certainly won't. The ranks just keep getting smaller.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: 2poor] #8054305
01/19/24 10:31 AM
01/19/24 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 2poor
I believe I paid $350 for my Life Membership. I recognize the cost of servicing my lifetime membership with the Trappers Post and volunteered to opt out.

I believe I have seen 5 separate administrations since being a Lifer.

One reason the cost increased is the cost of servicing a member has skyrocketed. With interest paid on the Lifer account way down the cost had to be adjusted to remain solvent.


I think that's what I paid for my life membership too. Who do you contact to opt out of the magazine?


Immigrants who bypassed legal process in migrating to the US demand legal process before being kicked out.
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054319
01/19/24 10:51 AM
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Sustaining membership donations are a good thing for this reason Bernie

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054387
01/19/24 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by April
Honestly I didn't think it would cost much, or anything to run the association... guess I'm wrong...


There are ways to raise funds that benefit trappers and the association. It is a win, win. Trapper association sales, that require membership to play, charge 10% or more commission, and achieve well above average market prices.

Some associations excel at this.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054396
01/19/24 12:12 PM
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As over pay for something and have a percentage go to the association, thy not just give the association the money? Chances are you don't really want what they are selling anyway. I feel raffles are a much better bet.


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Mark J Monti
"MJM you're a jerk."
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054414
01/19/24 12:43 PM
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Having someone knowledgeable fighting for your rights to trap is worth every penny to me. Still cheaper than an ex-wife or a drug habit....but then again trapping is my drug of choice...


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Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: MJM] #8054416
01/19/24 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
As over pay for something and have a percentage go to the association, thy not just give the association the money? Chances are you don't really want what they are selling anyway. I feel raffles are a much better bet.
The MTA does a very successful raffle.


"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: MJM] #8054427
01/19/24 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
As over pay for something and have a percentage go to the association, thy not just give the association the money? Chances are you don't really want what they are selling anyway. I feel raffles are a much better bet.


How is a raffle win, win? Few winners and a bunch of losers. If a trapper association is not working to get members more money, they are not an association I want to belong to.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: Dirt] #8054436
01/19/24 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by MJM
As over pay for something and have a percentage go to the association, thy not just give the association the money? Chances are you don't really want what they are selling anyway. I feel raffles are a much better bet.


How is a raffle win, win? Few winners and a bunch of losers. If a trapper association is not working to get members more money, they are not an association I want to belong to.

Seriously? The main purpose of the raffle isnt to raise money from members. The raffle is to raise money from non-members! Without the raffle, the association would have to raise dues to where most members would probably quit.


"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054447
01/19/24 01:12 PM
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I understand raffles. Do you understand sales? Sales are a member service and can be an Association revenue maker.

Seriously, I have paid no membership dues. My increased trapping revenues from Association sales have more than covered the dues.

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Who is John Galt?
Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054466
01/19/24 01:38 PM
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Raffle money goes to the general fund or?

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054469
01/19/24 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by April
Honestly I didn't think it would cost much, or anything to run the association... guess I'm wrong...

You'll get smarter as you get older. Unless you're a Liberal Democrat, then all bets are off.

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: Rat Masterson] #8054522
01/19/24 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Raffle money goes to the general fund or?


No.

Per MN law raffle money can only be used for youth education


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Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: Dirt] #8054526
01/19/24 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I understand raffles. Do you understand sales? Sales are a member service and can be an Association revenue maker.

Seriously, I have paid no membership dues. My increased trapping revenues from Association sales have more than covered the dues.

Alaska is bit of an oddball in that aspect as it seems like from videos and accounts of the sales are a fairly novelty market. Lower 48 I'm not quite sure we can do that as really the only novelties we really can deal with is oddball colored critters or critters that aren't seen much of, like fox, weasels, skunks skinned with feet on to the craft buyers that show up.

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054568
01/19/24 04:02 PM
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Kinda thought so 49er hence the "or".

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8054571
01/19/24 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Dirt
I understand raffles. Do you understand sales? Sales are a member service and can be an Association revenue maker.

Seriously, I have paid no membership dues. My increased trapping revenues from Association sales have more than covered the dues.

Alaska is bit of an oddball in that aspect as it seems like from videos and accounts of the sales are a fairly novelty market. Lower 48 I'm not quite sure we can do that as really the only novelties we really can deal with is oddball colored critters or critters that aren't seen much of, like fox, weasels, skunks skinned with feet on to the craft buyers that show up.


I believe western sales do well in States like Idaho, Utah, and maybe Colorado? Even in Alaska, one sale outperforms the other because of timing, buyers, and location of sales.


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Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: Steven 49er] #8054586
01/19/24 05:22 PM
01/19/24 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er


One factor of politics that has not changed is without the MTA and people like goldy is we would be trapping the way we do today. The politics in St Paul is we are target as often as not

Maybe someday 160 will explain what event happened to cause him to reach the conclusion he has.

Eventually lifetime memberships become a drain on budgets as the accumulated cost to service a member becomes far greater than what said member paid.

I have been told it currently costs approximately 30 dollars a year to service an average member every year. That figure is higher if the member is getting the trappers post. I don't know what , if any break the MTA gets from TP for a years subscription, if one purchases the subscription individually it's 21 dollars.

100 dollar 3 year membership is a bargain at those figures


Every assoc. that uses the Trapper's Post or any other magazine as their official publication is getting it for a fraction of the normal cost. I don't know how it could possibly cost $30 to service each member. The convention should be a good money maker also. Raffles, etc. there are a lot of ways to generate income.

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054627
01/19/24 06:24 PM
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Trappers association dues and lifetime memberships are cheap compared to other groups. Many outdoor groups charge closer to $100 a year and members never bat an eye. A Gold Patron in Pheasants Forever is $25,000.


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Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: BernieB.] #8054628
01/19/24 06:26 PM
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In the past at least organizations offering life time memberships with subscriptions generally invested in a l oosing proposition from a membership and dues perspective. The recently highly increased rates to me reflect that and why they are high as the cost of serving members goes up every year. The real value for most associations with life membership is the volunteering that comes with that for time and resources and the continued higher level of donations to the associations from their life members. Having more members on an associations list can also help in the political world as well. With organizations today taking different stands then it may not in an individuals best interest to be a life time members.
I became a life time member of the WTA when I turned 62 and the lifetime membership cost $100 then and came with a plaque and other paper. That sure was not a money maker for the WTA and that is with the subscription too. That was changed very soon after I became a life member.

Bryce

Re: Why is joining the MTA so expensive now?! [Re: FursFTW] #8054664
01/19/24 07:24 PM
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Bryce the same membership now is $700.


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