No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065126
01/31/24 11:21 AM
01/31/24 11:21 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
USA-WI
K
Kre Offline
trapper
Kre  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: Nov 2010
USA-WI
Deer populations are so low across North Central WI, that I can see no downside to trying this.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Trap Setter] #8065127
01/31/24 11:25 AM
01/31/24 11:25 AM
Joined: Oct 2012
Wisconsin
E
Eagleye Offline OP
trapper
Eagleye  Offline OP
trapper
E

Joined: Oct 2012
Wisconsin
Originally Posted by Trap Setter
The bear are the major predators IMHO. I know of two farms up north (Sawyer Co) that have had 30+ bears taken per year the last few years. These bears were captured using culvert traps and moved somewhere. They were doing enough damage to the corn to pose a major problem yet some seem to think they don't have a major impact on fawn mortality rates. I know a few hound guys who don't want the bear numbers reduced but something has to give and without the ability to limit wolves and bobcat the only predator we can manage is bear.

I saw one stat that said the mortality rate can be 25% of fawn population by black bear predation, couple that with Bobcats, Coyotes and Wolves and you wonder why hunter satisfaction and numbers are declining.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065132
01/31/24 11:32 AM
01/31/24 11:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Three Lakes,WI 73
C
corky Offline
trapper
corky  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Dec 2006
Three Lakes,WI 73
Gov. Evers' DNR just spent $ 15 million dollars on a conservation easement on the Pelican River State Forest. This was over the objections of local Town and County officials and State Representatives. They completely ignored local input, contrary to State and Federal law. This doe hunting proposal will never be signed by Evers because it would encroach on the DNR's authority which is sacrosanct in northern WI. It doesn't matter one bit if it's a good or bad idea. The power of the bureaucracy is not to be challenged.


http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This place is getting more like Facebook every day.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065133
01/31/24 11:34 AM
01/31/24 11:34 AM
Joined: May 2013
Green Bay, Wisconsin
tlguy Offline
trapper
tlguy  Offline
trapper

Joined: May 2013
Green Bay, Wisconsin
Wisconsin wildlife management is plagued by politicians playing armchair biologist (especially in election years) to get votes.

Another part of the bill text I noticed that's been left out of the news coverage is only one buck tag per license type. Right now the DNR issues replacement tags for deer that test positive. So if you shoot a buck and it tests positive, you couldn't use your replacement buck tag in the northern forest unit. Sucks for guys that live up there and don't want to eat CWD meat.

I hunt Langlade county which was historically split into a couple GMUs before the switch to county boundaries. The only silver lining I see to this bogus attempt at vote grabbing would be an eventual split of the southern portion of Langlade county to the central farmland zone after a couple years of extreme crop damage from no doe harvest.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: BernieB.] #8065134
01/31/24 11:38 AM
01/31/24 11:38 AM
Joined: Mar 2023
WI
WI Outdoors Online happy
trapper
WI Outdoors  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Mar 2023
WI
Originally Posted by BernieB.
Until something is done about the wolf population nothing else matters.

S.s.s

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065159
01/31/24 12:17 PM
01/31/24 12:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2013
Green County Wisconsin
G
GREENCOUNTYPETE Offline
trapper
GREENCOUNTYPETE  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Sep 2013
Green County Wisconsin
some one needs to add a a little amendment.

phrase it carefully

amendment . In order to address the Deer herd population concerns for a period of 4 years from the passage of this bill no doe tags shall be authorized in Northern forest Zone 1 while at the same time authorizing a year round open season on deer and fawn predators of all types for the same 4 years. those participating in the predator hunt will need to hold a current small game license.


bam!
it will kill the bill or give us 4 years of open predator hunting.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Trap Setter] #8065185
01/31/24 01:00 PM
01/31/24 01:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
Near Gardiner MT
E
Elkguy Offline
trapper
Elkguy  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Apr 2012
Near Gardiner MT
Originally Posted by Trap Setter
The bear are the major predators IMHO. I know of two farms up north (Sawyer Co) that have had 30+ bears taken per year the last few years. These bears were captured using culvert traps and moved somewhere. They were doing enough damage to the corn to pose a major problem yet some seem to think they don't have a major impact on fawn mortality rates. I know a few hound guys who don't want the bear numbers reduced but something has to give and without the ability to limit wolves and bobcat the only predator we can manage is bear.

Those farmers need to invest in a backhoe and bullets.


CBCS
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Elkguy] #8065189
01/31/24 01:08 PM
01/31/24 01:08 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
new york
M
mike mason Offline
trapper
mike mason  Offline
trapper
M

Joined: Apr 2012
new york
Originally Posted by Elkguy
Originally Posted by Trap Setter
The bear are the major predators IMHO. I know of two farms up north (Sawyer Co) that have had 30+ bears taken per year the last few years. These bears were captured using culvert traps and moved somewhere. They were doing enough damage to the corn to pose a major problem yet some seem to think they don't have a major impact on fawn mortality rates. I know a few hound guys who don't want the bear numbers reduced but something has to give and without the ability to limit wolves and bobcat the only predator we can manage is bear.

Those farmers need to invest in a backhoe and bullets.

The three SSS.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065191
01/31/24 01:10 PM
01/31/24 01:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Scott__aR Offline
trapper
Scott__aR  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
It's a hard pill to swallow, but it's only one action in an overall multi-prong management plan that needs to be done to regain the northern herd numbers. Unfortunately, no one agency has control over all the pieces of the puzzle.

Northern Forest deer herd numbers have been dropping for years. Anyone spending any amount of time in the woods knows this, now whether they want to admit it is all together a different question. Yes indeed, predator numbers are increasing for several reasons outside of the states control and just not wolves. I'm sure late season snow storms influence to some small part herd survival rates. But state and local economic greed has also played a significant part in maintaining an unsustainable harvest system.


Megapredator ... top of the food chain!
Member of WTA
Member of U.P. Trappers
Member of NTA
Member of FTA
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065196
01/31/24 01:25 PM
01/31/24 01:25 PM
Joined: Sep 2021
ND
T
TheHipster Offline
trapper
TheHipster  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Sep 2021
ND
Maybe you could get some of the does to transition

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065200
01/31/24 01:28 PM
01/31/24 01:28 PM
Joined: May 2013
Green Bay, Wisconsin
tlguy Offline
trapper
tlguy  Offline
trapper

Joined: May 2013
Green Bay, Wisconsin
The current language doesn't exempt youth or disabled hunters from the restriction either. Talk about local economic "greed" you can bet there will be plenty of folks staying home or not hunting in the northern region if this passes. What will that do for local businesses, especially after a year with little or no income from ice fisherman and snowmobilers. Kinda sounds similar to COVID shutdowns of businesses...

The DNR never put a gun to a hunter's head and made them harvest an antlerless deer. If folks don't want antlerless deer killed, it's as easy as not pulling the trigger.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065204
01/31/24 01:34 PM
01/31/24 01:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Wi.
D
Diggerman Offline
trapper
Diggerman  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2012
Wi.
Years ago there were no doe tags and we have more deer here now than ever, we have deer where they werent 50 years ago. We have no wolves or bears here in the south. Bears target fawns for about a three week period after that they arnt very successful and not all bears do, Wolves are hard on deer year around.
Anyone that spends time in the woods upnorth Knows why there are no deer, Everybody knows why the Elk population is stagnant.

Last edited by Diggerman; 01/31/24 01:35 PM.
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065206
01/31/24 01:35 PM
01/31/24 01:35 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
east central WI
K
k snow Online content
trapper
k snow  Online Content
trapper
K

Joined: Oct 2009
east central WI
We need to take politics out of wildlife management. We need real population estimates of deer and predators. And real plans to manage them. No feelings or knee jerk reactions from either side.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065213
01/31/24 01:55 PM
01/31/24 01:55 PM
P
Posco
Unregistered
Posco
Unregistered
P


Maine had the same issue and did away with harvesting does for quite some time. Logging, coyotes, and harsh winters did a number on them. The population eventually rebounded to the point where they now issue antlerless permits.

The herd is nowhere near what it was when I was a kid but they're slowly coming back.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065216
01/31/24 01:56 PM
01/31/24 01:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2014
S. Illinois
C
Chuckles84 Offline
trapper
Chuckles84  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Nov 2014
S. Illinois
Until you can start killing wolves banning doe hunting will do nothing. Good luck.


Your entitled to oxygen. Everything else is earned.
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065220
01/31/24 02:02 PM
01/31/24 02:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2022
Wisconsin
G
Guss Offline
trapper
Guss  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Apr 2022
Wisconsin
If the feds are smart they will let the Midwest star hunting and trapping wolves

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Eagleye] #8065228
01/31/24 02:14 PM
01/31/24 02:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Scott__aR Offline
trapper
Scott__aR  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota could have wolves under state control if they would follow the lead of Montana and Idaho.


Megapredator ... top of the food chain!
Member of WTA
Member of U.P. Trappers
Member of NTA
Member of FTA
Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: bblwi] #8065231
01/31/24 02:16 PM
01/31/24 02:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2023
WI
WI Outdoors Online happy
trapper
WI Outdoors  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Mar 2023
WI
Originally Posted by bblwi
How many of those does not harvested will become pregnent if bucks are still harvested while populations are low? High predator numbers are an issue when the prey numbers are at or below critical mass, but improving habitat is critical to rebuilding a population. Habitat is a critical aspect. The central and southern farm zones have had extremely liberal anterless harvest opportunities and still have numbers that exced desired levels.
Many hunters have not gone north for some years now and if we impose further limitations on harvest there will be more likely to not come back to the north. It is easy to pick on wolves as they are easy targets. We seem to forget that we have essentially let our bear population grow about 50% higher than pre 2000 goals and numbers. We are also wanting to increase bobcat numbers so we can harvest more and coyotes are learning to live with wolves. We detest wolves but bear and bobcats are desired species, especially bear and the economic value they bring to the norhthwoods. We also make the remaining deer easier targets by letting vast wooded areas mature and not have browse and cover and put in small food plots which bring in the remaining deer but also the predators know where they are living as well.

Bryce

There's plenty for bucks to breed.

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: Scott__aR] #8065254
01/31/24 02:46 PM
01/31/24 02:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~ Offline
The Count
~ADC~  Offline
The Count

Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota could have wolves under state control if they would follow the lead of Montana and Idaho.


Red vs. Blue

Re: Potential Doe ban in Northern Wisconsin [Re: tlguy] #8065273
01/31/24 03:20 PM
01/31/24 03:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Scott__aR Offline
trapper
Scott__aR  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2020
Wisconsin
Originally Posted by tlguy
The current language doesn't exempt youth or disabled hunters from the restriction either. Talk about local economic "greed" you can bet there will be plenty of folks staying home or not hunting in the northern region if this passes. What will that do for local businesses, especially after a year with little or no income from ice fisherman and snowmobilers. Kinda sounds similar to COVID shutdowns of businesses...

The DNR never put a gun to a hunter's head and made them harvest an antlerless deer. If folks don't want antlerless deer killed, it's as easy as not pulling the trigger.


Yup, if this bill passes, it's going to hurt economically. But it was businesses that push for higher permit numbers to attract out of area hunters following the allure of that hunting related money. And the state ain't going to object to an additional $12/ tag revenue. I'm not sure you can suggest to hunters that only go up to an area a couple of times a year, not to pull the trigger on a doe when they are given the opportunity and paid their money.

Over the year the deer management strategy has changed with a variety of twists and turns. This proposal is but another turn in an every changing environment. It's not the entire solution, but you have to start somewhere.


Megapredator ... top of the food chain!
Member of WTA
Member of U.P. Trappers
Member of NTA
Member of FTA
Page 2 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread