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dog or dogless and why please #8086163
02/25/24 07:29 PM
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I haven't trapped since I was a kid -50+ years ago recently retired and ready to by some traps and start trapping again- I like the dogless better ( I think ) less moving parts ? -but all the traps of yesteryear were longsprings with dogs and they worked pretty good and I think they probably still would better than my joints - any help before I buy greatly appreciated . I know someone will ask what Im gonna focus on wolf-yote-bobcat thanks in advance for any insight


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086166
02/25/24 07:32 PM
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Dogless

Tune it and forget it, no bent dogs, no loosening tightening nuts.


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086167
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I prefer dog-on. maybe I'm not smart enough to tune a dogless trap, but I haven't had great success tuning them.

I can get dogged traps adjusted to a repeatable state. but I can't with dogless versions of the same trap.

YMMV.

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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086172
02/25/24 07:42 PM
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If you decide on dogless you have to clean the hookup spot really well.

Personally i use only dog-on myself


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086175
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Dogless for me. I really like the No B.S k9 jrs. No tinkering, set it and go.


Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086176
02/25/24 07:49 PM
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i prefer a trap where both jaws are locked down


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086193
02/25/24 08:06 PM
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In my wet acidic conditions, I like a dog. But i am a old school beaver slut…..


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086200
02/25/24 08:09 PM
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I've got both, but I've started to lean more towards a dogless trap. They're simple to use and tune, easy to bed and you don't have to worry about pulling a trap if a dog gets torn off. Another plus is the dogless traps I've used have a big pan making a larger area for the animal to put it's foot.


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086203
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I have both dog less and traps with the dog on, while both are good traps if I had to make a choice id go with dog less. The reason being is with the dog less you don't have the hassle of replacing the dog if it gets mangled up, and in my opinion tuning pan tension on a dog less trap isn't real hard it just takes a little time adjusting.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086215
02/25/24 08:21 PM
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I dont worry much about pan tension. If it gets loose it gets loose. I like fast. Thats important. I will tighten the pan nut only when I move the trap. I can catch equal amounts of fur with either dog or dogless but both jaws locked down beds easy. No messing around. Mash the trap in and cover it up. Straightening a dog once in a while takes seconds. Lay it ontop the nut of your rebar stake and smack it with a hammer.


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: danny clifton] #8086216
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Dogless!!!!! Easy choice. All of the top end coyote traps are Dogless coil spring traps.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086217
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I prefer dog on. Mostly because it seems like I struggle getting both consistent pan tension in the 2-3lb range and little or no pan movement before the trap fires with dogless. Seems like they end up either with more pan tension than I like, or snapping off accidentally and being too sensitive after waxing. Maybe I'm just not good at adjusting them, but after messing with them a while I decided that for me, dog on was the way to go.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086220
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I dont use nite latch. Short latch for me. Just set the trap. No fooling with finding the second notch.


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: danny clifton] #8086227
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I dont use nite latch. Short latch for me. Just set the trap. No fooling with finding the second notch.


no big deal on "finding" the second notch.

nite-latch helps me bed the trap in our rocky "soil"...I bed the trap with the elevated pan in the pre-"nite-latched" position. Once I have it tight, I press on the jaws and lower the pan for the "click".

easy-peasy.

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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086230
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Dogless has become my preference. The trap can nearly always be reset without repairing damage that the dog-on traps would regularly suffer, which was commonly the dogs being chewed off.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086267
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Willoughby they do make reinforced/stronger dogs now...rod dogs or heavy dogs. Some guys that weld ....weld a nail along the length of the dog for reinforcement.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086275
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… used dogged traps for years .. then gave the dogless 2 bridger a try … the ease of bedding and kill area sold me on them

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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086278
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Depends what your target animal is. Buy some of each and I’m sure you will have an opinion after a season. For smaller animals, dog on for sure. I prefer dog on traps for everything.

Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086279
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In NY you have to have traps with adjustable pans and most dogless are not adjustable so I use the dog type trap. Most dogless are considerably more expensive also. I have both but dont use the dogless in NY


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Re: dog or dogless and why please [Re: Willoughby] #8086396
02/26/24 12:07 AM
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I have mb 550os and bridger #2 dogless. I use both and don't care witch I grab out of the bucket. I like the thick cast jaws on the 550 but like how flat and well the Bridgers bed. The Bridgers are bigger and I am thinking about laminating them. Both will freeze down and I want to try some #3 la if I can find them get some of each and try them and find what you like best. I haven't had to fix a dog on a 550 yet don't think I will have to. They are round and heavy.

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