No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147163
05/30/24 11:14 AM
05/30/24 11:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
Maybe read one of the AFWA surveys of the general public in regards to support or opposition to trapping based on the reason trappers trap. They support ADC trapping.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8147169
05/30/24 11:35 AM
05/30/24 11:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2019
Northern IN USA
Flipper 56 Online content
trapper
Flipper 56  Online Content
trapper

Joined: Jan 2019
Northern IN USA
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Flipper 56
Got the email and deleted it.

Yeah...it don't really matter if our grandkids can legally trap...SMH

Yeah, no kids or grandkids and we have way more problems than me at 67 not answering a survey. But you can blame me if we lose our trapping rights. SMH


"Where Can A Man Find Bear Beaver And Other Critters Worth Cash Money When Skinned?"

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147183
05/30/24 12:16 PM
05/30/24 12:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf Online happy
trapper
Swamp Wolf  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Ain't just you that don't trust wildlife agencies. I get it. But, on some things I feel us trappers should bite the bullet and help out.


Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!

Resource Protection Service

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8147187
05/30/24 12:29 PM
05/30/24 12:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
NWWA/AZ
Vinke Offline OP
trapper
Vinke  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
NWWA/AZ
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Ain't just you that don't trust wildlife agencies. I get it. But, on some things I feel us trappers should bite the bullet and help out.


I did. I signed up for the symposium….5 days in a resort
I hope there is some hot girls


Ant Man/ Marty 2028
just put your ear to the ground , and follow along

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147190
05/30/24 12:33 PM
05/30/24 12:33 PM
Joined: Jun 2007
Minnesota
G
Gerald Schmitt Offline
trapper
Gerald Schmitt  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Jun 2007
Minnesota
Hard NO on doing any government surveys concerning trapping.

In Minnesota the DNR used trapper surveys to fight the lawsuit to bring non resident trapping to Minnesota. They also used mandatory harvest reports from commercial turtle trappers to BAN commercial turtle trapping in Minnesota due to "concerns" about over harvest. Never mind that there were less than 20 licensed commercial trappers left in the state. In both instances information that trappers sent in the state was used against them.

BMPs were supposed to be a recommendation on what trap works best for each species. It has now become law in Vermont, with one of the groups giving input on the new laws being the Humane Society of the United States. Have BMPs been used to open up states like Florida, New Jersey, Colorado, California and others to allow the state wide use of BMP approved traps? Have they been used to open any state up that has lost the use of foothold traps?

If "facts and data" were truly relevant to lawmakers and state DNRs we would have wolf trapping in every state that has a viable population.

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147230
05/30/24 03:19 PM
05/30/24 03:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2019
Iowa
C
CTRAPS Offline
trapper
CTRAPS  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Dec 2019
Iowa
Thanks, Gerald. Well put.


Life Member: ITA, IBA & NRA. Member of SA, MTA, FTA & NTA
Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147263
05/30/24 05:10 PM
05/30/24 05:10 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf Online happy
trapper
Swamp Wolf  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Florida seems to be close to allowing the use of "steel" footholds and BGs. Outlawed them in 1973 (unless special permit is obtained).

BMPs are the baseline being used by FWC to hopefully get it thru the law/reg process and public acceptance.

It's a start and is the ONLY way.

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/trapping-rules/trap-types/

Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 05/30/24 05:13 PM. Reason: More Info

Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!

Resource Protection Service

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8147327
05/30/24 06:32 PM
05/30/24 06:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2015
Iowa
T
trapdog1 Offline
trapper
trapdog1  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Feb 2015
Iowa
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Florida seems to be close to allowing the use of "steel" footholds and BGs. Outlawed them in 1973 (unless special permit is obtained).

BMPs are the baseline being used by FWC to hopefully get it thru the law/reg process and public acceptance.

It's a start and is the ONLY way.

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/trapping-rules/trap-types/

I'll be a little more optimistic if Florida actually gets some rights back because of BMPs. I'm still not convinced they will not be used against us.
I completed my survey, but not without some reservations.
BMPs should remain as guidelines and not law.

Last edited by trapdog1; 05/30/24 06:32 PM.
Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8147331
05/30/24 06:38 PM
05/30/24 06:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"
HobbieTrapper  Offline
"Chippendale Trapper"

Joined: Dec 2008
Eastern Shore of Maryland
“The only way”, that’s what the government wants everybody to think.


-Goofy
Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: trapdog1] #8147341
05/30/24 06:58 PM
05/30/24 06:58 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf Online happy
trapper
Swamp Wolf  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Florida seems to be close to allowing the use of "steel" footholds and BGs. Outlawed them in 1973 (unless special permit is obtained).

BMPs are the baseline being used by FWC to hopefully get it thru the law/reg process and public acceptance.

It's a start and is the ONLY way.

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/trapping-rules/trap-types/

I'll be a little more optimistic if Florida actually gets some rights back because of BMPs. I'm still not convinced they will not be used against us.
I completed my survey, but not without some reservations.
BMPs should remain as guidelines and not law.

Those BMP guidelines are gonna help save trapping....not hurt it. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. There are far more people against trapping than any other wildlife user groups including hunting. Trappers and supporters of trapping have to struggle much harder just to save what we currently have. At least the BMPs provide us with a foundation to stand on. They're not 100% perfect, but what else do we have?


Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!

Resource Protection Service

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8147343
05/30/24 07:01 PM
05/30/24 07:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf Online happy
trapper
Swamp Wolf  Online Happy
trapper

Joined: Apr 2009
South Ga - Almost Florida
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
“The only way”, that’s what the government wants everybody to think.

Just what "other ways" are there?

It ain't perfect but it's better than not having anything to go to the table with.


Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!

Resource Protection Service

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147383
05/30/24 07:55 PM
05/30/24 07:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
E. Oregon
S
super cub Offline
trapper
super cub  Offline
trapper
S

Joined: Feb 2014
E. Oregon
The one my son got was an email that asked about non target

Re: Assocation Of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Survey [Re: Vinke] #8147443
05/30/24 10:07 PM
05/30/24 10:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Oregon
beaverpeeler Offline
trapper
beaverpeeler  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Oregon
I always love getting asked about my non target catch % The antis like to pull some antiquated studies that claimed 70-80% of the catch was non-target species. (Because cruel leg-hold traps are non selective). I think they went on the old hang a rabbit from a tree limb and set a bunch of traps underneath and see what gets caught approach...(totally illegal in today's Oregon). I keep good records of what my non target catch is and it is consistently under 1%. IN FACT waaaay less than 1%. Of course, if I'm trapping beaver and I catch an otter or a nutria that is not a non-target species for me. They all get skinned and utilized as well.

Fact of the matter is I can't even remember the last non target animal I caught. It's been years ago. Probably a vole or something.

Last edited by beaverpeeler; 05/30/24 10:10 PM.

My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread