I was a bit disgusted reading the bump stock thread. Finger pointing, blame, and unfortunately, flat out ignorance. Like most concerned, I felt that Trumps bullying that through was wrong. I made no excuse for it. I even criticized him for it harshly. Some political leaders do things we think are wrong even though they, in their heart, may think it's right. That's why we push such things, it went through the courts. That being said, there are "laws" being enacted that are a full on assault on our 2nd amendment rights. The assault is on like never before. Some on here need to put their big boy pants on and figure out what you really believe in. Then, you need to vote accordingly. You want a strong 2nd intact? You only have one person to vote for.

To me Trump’s biggest short coming is buying/selling into that MRNA shot… and he still is stubborn in thought on it.

Trump has spent his whole life in large cities. He has never grown and canned green beans. Never ran a trotline or been squirrel hunting. He made the mistake of listening to the NRA rather than organizations like GOA. He has no clue how most of live or our fear of government.

Oh I'm pretty sure that he is concerned about "fear of government". He has been victimized by it since 2015.

We should strive to be something they fear.

Must not take much. A bunch of unarmed unhappy people walking through the capital most out of shape had them very fearful. Biggest threat to our democracy and everything.


Sad so few know we are a constitutional republic not a democratic. Even here I expect to be argued with on that statement.

Seriously believe they already do fear and that is the reason for the anti 2A push.

I do not know but I sincerely believe President Trump did the bump stock thing knowing full well it would be shot down by the supreme court. He did make it a conservative majority and the vote was 6-3.

Now President Trump can say he tried to do something but was over ruled by SCOTUS. He raises his hands and shrugs saying " I tried " and gives a wink.

And just to be clear, was it President Trump that issued the ban or was it BATFE?

https://i.imgur.com/VHfxc4Q.mp4
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands......no argument here.

The whole 3d chess, telling the ATF to make a rule knowing it would get knocked down thing is bizarre
I don't understand why it's hard for some people to comprehend that the dude doesn't have a spectacular record concerning the 2a.

He said he wasn't crazy about suppressors either for what that's worth...You can buy them over the counter in the UK, and it's considered unpolite over there to use a rifle without one.

I agree that the idea of creating a horrible president of illegal executive action knowing that it would be stuck down years later , is a reach.

it tends to stink of confirmation bias.

is it the lesser of two evils , yeah

do you need to keep selling yourself a confirmation bias to try not to have to admit the choices are bad and worse?

the idea that a bump stock even increases the rate of fire is a bit of a reach.

it may increase the rate of fire for someone who doesn't know how to use their finger or have a trained trigger finger.

"A bump stock merely reduces the amount of time that elapses between separate 'functions' of the trigger," Thomas wrote for the majority. "

it isn't even that hard to over-run the trigger on a lot of guns with just a trained finger.

the bump stock is actually using greater moment to slow the separate functions of the trigger. not speed them up.

He could've risked getting his veto of Feinstein's and the bipartisan Toomey-Manchin overridden and if so, he could've said well I was hardline. Then we'd have much stricter laws actually passed by congress that would be much harder to get rid of.

Its easy to be a no compromise person, much harder for a President.

Agree.

Or another way of looking at it is that under their rationale Trump knowingly entered an unconstitutional executive order. The fantasy land 4D chess explanation is almost worse than Trump just sucking on the 2A.

Do not ever trust the man on the 2A. Or any of his disciples.

There's no need to spin it. The whole 4D chess thing is a cope.

Truth is Trump is a New Yorker who's only ventures off the concrete and asphalt was construction sites and golf courses so he had no real understanding of just what 2A means other the the blue collar guys he met might like to hunt.

But he had met and somewhat understood blue-collar guys, and that alone has made him a good president compared to the rest of the lot who hate blue-collar guys. Trump is willing to learn from, if not apologize, for his mistakes.

I'd rather have that on our side than the other option.

I was going to vote again up until he said he isn’t going to repay any of the shenanigans he has endured.

I must have missed his admission of a mistake and an apology for entering an unconstitutional executive order banning bump stocks. Or, apologies for take the guns first due process later, maligning suppressors, etc.

Heck--when has he ever admitted a mistake or apologized? Another reason not to trust the man.

There is no reason to trust any of them, best one can do is figure out a half way path and stay on it !