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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8156494
06/17/24 04:00 PM
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I thought the Supremes made a" the legislative law does not allow for an administrative ban" not that" the second amendment prevents the legislature from banning the ownership of bump stocks" ? Not really a second amendment ruling?


Who is John Galt?
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Dirt] #8156499
06/17/24 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I thought the Supremes made a" the legislative law does not allow for an administrative ban" not that" the second amendment prevents the legislature from banning the ownership of bump stocks" ? Not really a second amendment ruling?


That's the way I understand it too. The statutes (1934 NFA and 1986 GCA) define a machine gun. BATFE passed a rule which they had no statutory authority to make.

I believe it is analogous to the recent WV v EPA decision where SCOTUS ruled EPA did not have the authority to make the rule it was trying to enforce.

This is, IMO, a good start at reining in the illegal rule making of the alphabet agencies


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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8156503
06/17/24 04:14 PM
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Very True you can add the anti-abortion "law" which returned the discretion back to the states for a vote instead of federal oversite Unless you got your facts from fbook or other "expert" resources


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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8156541
06/17/24 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Trump has spent his whole life in large cities. He has never grown and canned green beans. Never ran a trotline or been squirrel hunting. He made the mistake of listening to the NRA rather than organizations like GOA. He has no clue how most of live or our fear of government.


We should strive to be something they fear.

Hobbie, you said more than a mouthful on that one. THAT is EXACTLY why they had the second Amendment to begin with!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Blaine County] #8156544
06/17/24 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I must have missed his admission of a mistake and an apology for entering an unconstitutional executive order banning bump stocks. Or, apologies for take the guns first due process later, maligning suppressors, etc.

Heck--when has he ever admitted a mistake or apologized? Another reason not to trust the man.

Never heard one from you either on your lies and BS!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8156548
06/17/24 05:37 PM
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I'd rather have Don Jr. advising his father on the 2nd Amendment than Biden's kid advising his father. Trump has learned who his friends are.

Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8156554
06/17/24 05:50 PM
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Don't let this get political. Also, no petty personal crap !


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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: white17] #8156588
06/17/24 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by Dirt
I thought the Supremes made a" the legislative law does not allow for an administrative ban" not that" the second amendment prevents the legislature from banning the ownership of bump stocks" ? Not really a second amendment ruling?


That's the way I understand it too. The statutes (1934 NFA and 1986 GCA) define a machine gun. BATFE passed a rule which they had no statutory authority to make.

I believe it is analogous to the recent WV v EPA decision where SCOTUS ruled EPA did not have the authority to make the rule it was trying to enforce.

This is, IMO, a good start at reining in the illegal rule making of the alphabet agencies



This case was not a direct challenge to the NFA or GCA and the court limited itself to only the question at hand. Whether the BATFE had the authority to enact rule making absent legislative authority.

It's going to take a direct challenge to NFA/GCA using the Bruen decision to build on. Meanwhile until that case comes along we are winning these cases on the margins thanks to the Trump Trifecta.

Probably of more importance across the board is just what this ruling signals for the Chevron Deference standard. For those not in the know, Chevron Deference is the standard mandated by prior SCOTUS rulings that requires federal courts to defer to "expert opinion" of federal regulatory agencies when contemplating cases of this type.

Like the much needed challenge to NFA/GCA a case will come along that'll get Chevron Deference knocked down and maybe, just maybe, we can get the various alphabet agencies reined in on the ever growing regulatory burden.

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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8157003
06/18/24 01:21 PM
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Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8157108
06/18/24 07:00 PM
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I still believe that full auto was used in Vegas. Its such a simple thing to make the parts that give an AR a three position selector switch. The alphabet's dont want to admit that outlaws could care less about NFA. Was a guy arrested here some years back for making the parts, and a template for drilling the third hole and milling out the back of the receiver, on machines used in a shop that built cranes. The guy that shot those people was wealthy. Makes no sense he would use a toy like a bump stock. A binary trigger is more effective than a bump stock


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8157119
06/18/24 07:30 PM
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For the mensa members who don’t believe politicians play 3d or 4d chess or whatever you want to call it, have any of you ever heard of daca?

Good grief!!!


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: Finster] #8157404
06/19/24 10:44 AM
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The country is awash of illegal full auto firearms that the powers that be won't prosecute because of who owns them. Glock switches are ubiquitous in the cities and the D A 's won't touch those cases, they let them go without bail or charges. The genie is out of the bottle with 3d printers.

Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: K52] #8157459
06/19/24 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by K52
The country is awash of illegal full auto firearms that the powers that be won't prosecute because of who owns them. Glock switches are ubiquitous in the cities and the D A 's won't touch those cases, they let them go without bail or charges. The genie is out of the bottle with 3d printers.

Wish sold most of those glock switches , the air soft trigger works very similar to the glock factory trigger so the air soft selector switch dropped right into an actual glock


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: About the bump stocks & 2nd [Re: danny clifton] #8157461
06/19/24 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I still believe that full auto was used in Vegas. Its such a simple thing to make the parts that give an AR a three position selector switch. The alphabet's dont want to admit that outlaws could care less about NFA. Was a guy arrested here some years back for making the parts, and a template for drilling the third hole and milling out the back of the receiver, on machines used in a shop that built cranes. The guy that shot those people was wealthy. Makes no sense he would use a toy like a bump stock. A binary trigger is more effective than a bump stock

he died any way , loading one of his two planes with every gas can he could and crashing it onto the audience would have done more.
lots didn't add up and we will likely never know


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