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Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8141056 05/18/24 06:34 PM 05/18/24 06:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2015 Mn R Reaperman trapper
Reaperman trapper R Joined: Feb 2015 Mn	I see your from Minn. The dnr has programs that pay landowners to remove buckthorn and they even provide the chemicals. Myself, I bought a brush cutter for my bobcat and it’s the best thing ever. Regardless of what anyone says. When I cut a patch of buckthorn it doesn’t come back, no treatment necessary. I cut it tight to the ground and it’s bye-bye. I do get seedlings from area trees but I can deal with that easily. I have 45 wooded arches that I could initially brush out in a day or two. If I had a hundred acres, I’d call the dnr and ask if they would help pay someone else for removal if your not able.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8144303 05/25/24 03:05 AM 05/25/24 03:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	How do you keep your goats from having a problem with ticks, mites etc?

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8160329 06/25/24 12:44 AM 06/25/24 12:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	https://www.woodtv.com/news/kent-county/we-need-more-goats-live-lawn-trimming-business-booms/ This guy uses dogs to protect his herd. I'll rely on fencing. He says the goats can eat too much brush for their own good Last edited by AJE; 06/25/24 12:45 AM.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8160531 06/25/24 11:54 AM 06/25/24 11:54 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes T Trapper7 trapper
Trapper7 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes	I've been making walking sticks out of some of the straighter plants. More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Trapper7] #8170157 07/11/24 01:02 AM 07/11/24 01:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	Originally Posted by Trapper7 I've been making walking sticks out of some of the straighter plants. That's all it is good for.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192791 08/10/24 12:55 AM 08/10/24 12:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	How's everyone's grazing going this summer? My 4 pygmy goats seem to be doing well.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8200132 08/21/24 12:50 AM 08/21/24 12:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	Here's a picture of my hardworking goats taking a break

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Reaperman] #8200304 08/21/24 11:01 AM 08/21/24 11:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes T Trapper7 trapper
Trapper7 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes	Originally Posted by Reaperman I see your from Minn. The dnr has programs that pay landowners to remove buckthorn and they even provide the chemicals. Myself, I bought a brush cutter for my bobcat and it’s the best thing ever. Regardless of what anyone says. When I cut a patch of buckthorn it doesn’t come back, no treatment necessary. I cut it tight to the ground and it’s bye-bye. I do get seedlings from area trees but I can deal with that easily. I have 45 wooded arches that I could initially brush out in a day or two. If I had a hundred acres, I’d call the dnr and ask if they would help pay someone else for removal if your not able. Who do you contact at the DNR? I don't care about getting paid, but free chemicals would be nice. I've been spending a lot on Crossbow which does kill the plants. More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8202721 08/25/24 12:16 AM 08/25/24 12:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	I've seen this island before: https://www.yahoo.com/news/farm-raised-goats-annual-return-080000021.html

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8284320 12/12/24 01:42 AM 12/12/24 01:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	Anyone put their goats on buckthorn in the winter? I guess they'll girdle the stems. Mine are in their winter pen for the season now.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8284325 12/12/24 01:56 AM 12/12/24 01:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor OP trapper
Donnersurvivor OP trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	It's not possible for me to put my fences up once it freezes so I've never done it in winter

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8284559 12/12/24 11:23 AM 12/12/24 11:23 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 coastal ny G gcs trapper
gcs trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 coastal ny	Can you use the electric netting? just need a hole for the stays...

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8284619 12/12/24 12:18 PM 12/12/24 12:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes T Trapper7 trapper
Trapper7 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes	Don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that deer will eat the smaller buckthorn plants too. Deer are members of the same species as goats, aren't they? If so, they aren't doing a very good job in my woods. More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Trapper7] #8284628 12/12/24 12:37 PM 12/12/24 12:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor OP trapper
Donnersurvivor OP trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Originally Posted by Trapper7 Don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that deer will eat the smaller buckthorn plants too. Deer are members of the same species as goats, aren't they? If so, they aren't doing a very good job in my woods. I've saw deer nibble on young buckthorn but most if it is to mature for the deer to bother with. The goats eat buckthorn well but they'll eat other stuff in the pen first, boxelders, poison ivy, etc go before the buckthorn.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8292435 12/24/24 05:22 PM 12/24/24 05:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	Possible option to plant once buckthorn is culled: https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-ev...rtify-forests-against-buckthorn-invasion

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: AJE] #8292541 12/24/24 07:07 PM 12/24/24 07:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor OP trapper
Donnersurvivor OP trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Originally Posted by AJE Possible option to plant once buckthorn is culled: https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-ev...rtify-forests-against-buckthorn-invasion I'll have to look into this. My personal observation is that ironwood can replace buckthorn in the understory. A oak woods full of a understory of ironwood is beautiful

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8294645 12/27/24 03:00 PM 12/27/24 03:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 St. Louis Co, Mo B BigBob trapper
BigBob trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 St. Louis Co, Mo	The Meskins across the road let their Goats free range a bit, and they are making great inroads on all the Winter Creeper on the fences around here. Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon. Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor. Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Reaperman] #8294798 12/27/24 05:53 PM 12/27/24 05:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes T Trapper7 trapper
Trapper7 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes	Originally Posted by Reaperman I see your from Minn. The dnr has programs that pay landowners to remove buckthorn and they even provide the chemicals. Myself, I bought a brush cutter for my bobcat and it’s the best thing ever. Regardless of what anyone says. When I cut a patch of buckthorn it doesn’t come back, no treatment necessary. I cut it tight to the ground and it’s bye-bye. I do get seedlings from area trees but I can deal with that easily. I have 45 wooded arches that I could initially brush out in a day or two. If I had a hundred acres, I’d call the dnr and ask if they would help pay someone else for removal if your not able. I contacted our local extension office regarding the programs available. They don't provide chemicals, but give you advice on various ways to deal with buckthorn. I already know what works for me using chemicals. They will send you info on other options to rid the buckthorn such as tools that will pull the smaller plants, goats, etc. Not really much help. More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8298735 12/31/24 08:00 PM 12/31/24 08:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin A AJE trapper
AJE trapper A Joined: Jan 2016 WI - Wisconsin	Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor Originally Posted by AJE Possible option to plant once buckthorn is culled: https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-ev...rtify-forests-against-buckthorn-invasion I'll have to look into this. My personal observation is that ironwood can replace buckthorn in the understory. A oak woods full of a understory of ironwood is beautiful Interesting. I've never seen ironwood in my county

Re: Goats and Buckthorn [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8298760 12/31/24 08:28 PM 12/31/24 08:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 east central WI D Dirty D trapper
Dirty D trapper D Joined: Nov 2014 east central WI	Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor I'll have to look into this. My personal observation is that ironwood can replace buckthorn in the understory. A oak woods full of a understory of ironwood is beautiful don't know about Ironwood replacing buckthorn but I do know that Ironwood in a Oak woods is bad news. Ironwood is a understory tree that will shade out the ground cover. Its very shade tolerant so it'll grow where most others won't. When you have lots of Ironwood its a sign of too much shade. Too much shade =Kiss your Oaks Goodbye. No Oak regeneration in a understory of Ironwood If you want a woodland thats attractive to wildlife Oaks are on the top of the list of trees, Sugar Maple and Ironwood at the bottom.

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