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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Providence Farm] #8165025
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Good for you.

I think I'll stay where I'm at


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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Steven 49er] #8165032
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I'm not self employed

Millions of full time wage earners don't get paid time off and holidays

What do you do, I'd I may ask?

Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: bblwi] #8165035
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Originally Posted by bblwi
That does help explain to me some of your situation. If you are not going home and are paying for other housing you may as well work. You and your family need to decide when other options may be better for all of you.
The newer technology won't replace atcually being together but is much superior to what was available 40-50 years ago. The longest I was away from my wife and daughter was the 10 months I was in Nam. Very limited calling options, so letters were the main communication. It takes a while to get re-acclimated and back into being home. At least it was for me. Funny that much of what gets missed when the family is young and growing becomes topics of discussion as time passes and we are older. Good to have those conversations even if they come later.
Bryce



I don't pay for housing. I have my inlaws renting my house down there and part of the deal was I keep my bed room there. That said it's 40 miles from the plant. So I stay at mom's condo it's 12 miles from work and I get to spend an hour or two with mom every day and tale her out to eat even when I work 16. Big bonus especially since she had cancer. I have my own room and full bathroom at moms.

Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Providence Farm] #8165046
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You give out WAY to much info!!.
Been given alot of advice. Figger it out.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: trapdog1] #8165051
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I'm not self employed

Millions of full time wage earners don't get paid time off and holidays

What do you do, I'd I may ask?



Heavy equipment operator by trade, union even


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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Steven 49er] #8165058
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Heavy equipment operator by trade, union even


honestly, I never heard of a union job that DIDN'T include vacation time and holidays.

even Correction Officers, etc. get time off...

which union do you belong to?

just curious....



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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: white marlin] #8165071
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Heavy equipment operator by trade, union even


honestly, I never heard of a union job that DIDN'T include vacation time and holidays.

even Correction Officers, etc. get time off...

which union do you belong to?

just curious....




Well considering he said he’s a heavy equipment operator and his name ends in 49er, I’m gonna bet he belongs to the IUOE 49ers union. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Providence Farm] #8165075
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I don't know any union tradesmen that get paid vacation from the employer that I work with

Laborers, operators, weldors, plumbers iron workers


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Then what is your Union doing for y’all?
I get 5 weeks of vacation.
4 paid personal days.
4 paid Optional Holidays
If I call out sick, I can take 7 days which includes weekends and it only counts as 1 instance. I can take up to 3 of those in a rolling calendar year and only receive a councling (never done it).
And yes, we’re Union.

Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: white marlin] #8165080
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Heavy equipment operator by trade, union even


honestly, I never heard of a union job that DIDN'T include vacation time and holidays.

even Correction Officers, etc. get time off...

which union do you belong to?

just curious....




Correction workers are government employees of course are going to get paid time off and holidays.

In the pipeline industry I've worked in several states and friends of mine have worked in many others. I don't know the one that got paid vacation or holidays per the contract.


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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Steven 49er] #8165087
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know any union tradesmen that get paid vacation from the employer that I work with

Laborers, operators, weldors, plumbers iron workers


"from the employer that I work with"...do you get paid vacation (or PTO) from the union?

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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: white marlin] #8165101
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Heavy equipment operator by trade, union even


honestly, I never heard of a union job that DIDN'T include vacation time and holidays.

even Correction Officers, etc. get time off...

which union do you belong to?

just curious....




There is a big difference between union tradesman vs other union workers like factory workers or ups ot the post office.
In a trade union you work out of the hall and May work for several different companies In a year. Heck I think I had 15 or 16 w2s one year. Some may be a one day or just a few day job.

I hated Hollidays when I Iron worked. Normally we would get the days off because company's didn't want to pay the double time. But they were not paid days off so they were short check weeks.

The companys call the hall and ask for however many men that need and the skill set. The hall sends them out. When the job is done they hand you your last check and you go back to the hall and get sent out on the next job..

It's a lot different than working for the same company and having union like in the factory I have now.

Ironworking they would send us our vacation check out in October. But it was not paid vacation it was the $60 a week that was taken out of our check and put in a vacation fund.. so self funded paid vacation. It was good for guys that couldn't Handel their money and most spent it on x Mas.

Now with the union In my factory we get I think 9 paid holidays paid for 8 hrs a day But if we are secluded we get double time and a half for hours worked and if we get called in its tripple time.

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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: bucksnbears] #8165102
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
You give out WAY to much info!!.
Been given alot of advice. Figger it out.



Don't click back on the thread if you don't like it.

Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Providence Farm] #8165112
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Ironworking that would send us our vacation check out in October. But it was not paid vacation it was the $60 a week that was taken out of our check and put in a vacation fund.. so self funded paid vacation. It was good for guys that couldn't habmndek their money and most spent it on x Mas.


not to be argumentative, but that's just semantics...it's a paid vacation. you were on vacation, and you were still paid.

no different than any company-based paid time off.

(it costs the company x dollars/hour to employ anyone. hourly wage is one component of that cost. health benefits are another. same as paid time off...all figured into the "cost to employ")

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Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: Providence Farm] #8165123
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One day you will regret working that much. Don’t know what job you have but money isn’t everything. 10years slinging 2,000 wheels per day 12 he shifts 7 days a week for months on end is why my back knees wrist and shoulders are worn out. Time away from wife and kids can’t be gotten back. If you have to work that much to pay your bills change your lifestyle. Be if you don’t Father Time will
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm

Yotetrap30 it's 57 not 59 July 1st 2036 last day at work will be 3rd week of May I will have 5 weeks of vacation
And take it the 5 weeks before I officially retire. And I will put it this way. I make in a year what it would take me 2 if not for the ot. I don't need 1/3rd of my income to live on soon I will only need 1/4 So I'm able to pay things off reducing the amount of cash I need even further. Sure I could not work the ot and In 5 years be in the same spot I was 2 years ago or in the next year only have utilities taxes and insurance. That means I will need even less money. So I can still invest at a high rate and work less. Maybe invest in solar and reduce bills further. Yep there is about 3 to 5 years of missing out. Few are willing to trap their spending, drive old vehicles, and put in the hours with a goal in mind. Many will be jealous and are now of the options I have and will have. But they are not willing to drive a 27 year old vehicle, watch their spending or put in the hours. Yes I'm proud that I am on that will. I'm also well aware of the cost, and that's what's getting to me. Heck I drove home this morning and am going back to work tonight 5 hrs of driving
because my wife need some help with the kids. She didn't ask me to infact told me not to but I did because I needed to be home and take care of it. So 5 hrs of driving for 6 hrs home then 5 2.5 hrs back home at 3am in the morning. Only working 8 hrs tonight since in maxed out on hours.

Point is the crazy ot plan is to be temporarily yet I do wonder if I will have problems cutting back to only working a few of my days off month. With my schedule I only have to work 14 days out of 28 and I have 4 weeks vacation. So technically I only have to work about 5 months a year and get 7 days in a roll off each month, 2 3 days off and one one day off. Or I can double that amount of money and get the big ticket things done and have the ability to quit the job any time I want in a and take a lower paying job closer to home and live comfortably on the lower income in a few years. Or just quit working my days off just 16s when in at work and keep adding to my pension still make double the pay of jobs around here and live comfortably. But I will still be away but only 3 or 4 days at a time.
It's nice to have a lot of options not many do. Scaling back will be tough for me but will be necessary. May not even hit it as hard as I was planning the next few months. I realized a few weeks back it's not normal for your response to someone saying your working to much to be "well I only worked 80 hrs this week" and be serious since that's less than 96 and you took a day or two off and think 80 hrs is cutting back. Going by people's reactions I figured out thats not a normal mind set.

Basically all that rambling just to say I started out with the plan 2 December's ago to start to work a day or 2 off a month or week and 16 every day it was offered when I was there to get things done. Then I some how only take 6 days or so off a month and it's got out of control. The closer I get the worse I become. I realize it's a behavior pattern that needs correction. I Gere up poor started out poor and never want to go back.




Ok providence no one says you’re not hard worker but even with Ky math this makes no sense. If you only need 1/3 of your income live but why not just pay off everything instead of dumping money here there in some investments. Yes you might get a return if you live long enough but the interest on the debt is NOW
BUT EHAT DO I KNOW? Been debt free for 7 years and have everything we want

Re: Told my wife I may need to see a physiologist [Re: white marlin] #8165130
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I don't know any union tradesmen that get paid vacation from the employer that I work with

Laborers, operators, weldors, plumbers iron workers


"from the employer that I work with"...do you get paid vacation (or PTO) from the union?


No


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J bird, I'm doing it all at the same time paying everything off, building savings and investing.. Biggest part of my investing is going into retirement accounts. 23k maxes out the 401 7 k in the Roth. Another 12 k backdoor into the Roth a year. If I wait I can't go back in time and hit the limits for years past.

It may not make since infact I have 3x as much in the bank as I have outstanding total debt. I could pay it all off today. But I like having enough cash available in an emergency fund so I can cover my bills for a year if I have no money coming in.

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
This has been an interesting read.

I don't know any self-made, successful people that work "just enough." They work their (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off.

These are successful professional types, tradesmen, blue collar oilfield friends, farmers, etc. Again, you have to balance family and well being.

It's like anything else--a man has freewill. If he wants to be financially successful, he generally has to earn it. Nobody gives it to him--unless the punk inherits it or just gets lucky.

If a man just wants to get by, that is his choice--just stay off the dole and don't resent others for achieving more--both are serious problems in this country on the right and left.

Last thing, there is value in teaching your kids to work hard by example while also teaching them the balance of family and well being.


Describe successful? How much is enough? I’d it worth it if you die at 55? You didn’t ask but I’ll give my opinion. Retire as soon as you can and have an income as much or more then when you worked. How did you survive while working if it’s not enough? My wife taught 29 years high school math. In at 7 hone by 5. One day she said I’m done. Went to retirement department and is bringing hone 500 per month more than paycheck. 3 months later local university was begging her to teach. 2 days per week 1.75 hrs per day. PLUS hundreds of online students. 13 years of that Point is Retire the day you can. You be surprised the opportunity you can find if not spending every waking moment at a job
My dad was an autoworker here in local factory. Liscense electrician wired houses at night and on weekends. Massive heart attack at 38. Spent eleven days in ICU. About went nuts because like I said you slow down or your body will!

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I’m still confused about the Union guys. So basically your a temp for the Union? The Union pimps out whatever the companies need? So what’s the advantage of working for the Union vs a company that has Union workers? Y’all getting the shaft, lol. So who pays for insurance? Raises? And y’all pay into the Union??

Yeah this is a first for me, never heard anything like that except Coonman talking about working for that temp agency that farms out workers when needed.

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