Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/26/24 03:50 PM
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I think GFW has picked a winning ticket two different ways: Fulfilling a niche market (that I think still exists) and endearing itself to the trapping community.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/26/24 04:23 PM
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Made in USA or did I miss that?
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/26/24 04:35 PM
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Parkas are too short they should come forward more to protect face! Take note on real alaskan parkas.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: spjones]
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07/26/24 07:56 PM
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Canada goose has lost 6 billion $ in market cap since going fur free
Now THATS great news!
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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07/26/24 08:01 PM
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So when Canada Goose was driving the coyote market, Iowa coyotes were averaging $35-$40 for $1200-$1500 parkas. At $450 a parka, this means our current $10 coyote...will remain a $10.00 coyote; but I encourage everyone to get out and catch some. At lest these are kind affordable for the common man
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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07/26/24 09:28 PM
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So when Canada Goose was driving the coyote market, Iowa coyotes were averaging $35-$40 for $1200-$1500 parkas. At $450 a parka, this means our current $10 coyote...will remain a $10.00 coyote; but I encourage everyone to get out and catch some. Not necessarily. It's possible that Canada Goose's markup was a lot higher. Also, Groenwold making the coats cuts out the middleman, which would allow them to be produced cheaper. Hopefully the more reasonable price encourages more buyers which would require more coyotes which would lead to higher prices. For YEARS I've been listening to people lament the fact that no one is leading the charge to make fur more mainstream in America again and now that someone actually is.... out come the haters.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/26/24 09:54 PM
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Like the look of the coat, like the price. Osky * by chance is there a wind proof layer built into the coat?
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/27/24 06:32 AM
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LOL. No middleman yotetrapper30? So Guy and Gary bought some sewing machines and are making them in house with American labor for $450? No. They're trying to figure out a way to market 1000's of dressed coyotes that nobody wants. GFW are business men first. If there's a fat hog to be cut, they're sharpening their knives as I type this.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/27/24 06:48 AM
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Glad to hear GFW keeps promoting fur in a different avenue. Good o. them and us!
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/27/24 07:16 AM
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Ditto, if buying coat check country of origin !
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/27/24 07:54 AM
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Any use of wild fur is great. I don’t care what country the coats are made in.
Those of you that are hating on this must not be fur trappers......
.....please go back to trapping the mice in your barn.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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07/27/24 09:03 AM
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Any use of wild fur is great. I don’t care what country the coats are made in.
Those of you that are hating on this must not be fur trappers......
.....please go back to trapping the mice in your barn.
Agreed. GW is making the best of a trying situation which by extension may help the market, general perceptions, and core suppliers ie trappers. Haven’t seen anyone else come up with any significant effort nor have I heard of GW hating on trappers. Then again I may lead a sheltered life. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/27/24 09:09 AM
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Love what they did. Having said that, I’ll buy one when they come to my house and put it in my window. I’ll give them a price and pay them what I want to. 12.344 seconds, no discussion. ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cool.gif)
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/27/24 09:14 AM
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Love what they did. Having said that, I’ll buy one when they come to my house and put it in my window. I’ll give them a price and pay them what I want to. 12.344 seconds, no discussion. ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cool.gif) You could always order one blindly, then pay for shipping, and pay whatever price they want to charge for that day.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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07/27/24 09:20 AM
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GFW are not at the NTA convention this weekend in Sioux Falls where they should be. They need to be talking to trappers who bust their behind to produce the fur they need to keep their lights on. GFW is sitting this one out. I'd wager to bet that Groeny is not the only wild fur related business that did not show up at the NTA convention this go-around along with a large number of free trappers who have elected NOTto support any fund raising efforts mounted by this outfit. You can bet with both the free trappers & GFW, it had little to do with economics, and eveything to do with ethics & principles !!! w
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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07/27/24 09:56 AM
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Here's what I find amusing. GFW are not at the NTA convention this weekend in Sioux Falls where they should be. They need to be talking to trappers who bust their behind to produce the fur they need to keep their lights on. GFW is sitting this one out. They don't want to spend money on gas, lodging, a booth and listen to all the complaining about the fur market. They're sitting at home, free of expenses, posting about their new parka...free of charge, and everyone is buying in to the fact that they are rock stars and doing great things for the industry.
When you buy your parka, make sure you check the tag for country of origin. You’re full of stupid, aren’t you? Its not their job to put the market on their back. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one. You’re going out of your way to be an (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), for absolutely no reason.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: spjones]
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07/27/24 10:46 AM
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That’s great,,,,smart move
Looks to me,,,doing rough calculations
Canada goose has lost 6 billion $ in market cap since going fur free Ya that's crazy-but what's even more crazy is the fact that since they went public years ago the anti's bought up enough shares to be on their board of directors-that was the end of the real fur. One of the many issues with taking a private company and going public with it. Poor decisions from people that bow down to the crazies in the anti-everything world. Just ask Budweiser how they feel about stupid decisions as well LOL.There are still a few companies out there that still use real coyote fur on their parkas-but they are seriously struggling-trust me on this as I am in the outerwear business.The only way these expensive jackets come back is if we can get a celebrity to wear it and make it cool! Then we are back in business. Just imagine if someone like Beyonce wore one of the fashion parkas with real fur or Taylor Swift-its all the fashion garment needs and it will be back.But another thing-quality for the price needs to be there or you are dead before you even start.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: MB Coonguy]
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07/27/24 11:03 AM
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I would love to see GFW succeed with this for sure.It is a very proactive approach-hope they market it well and it takes off again. X2
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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07/27/24 02:04 PM
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LOL. No middleman yotetrapper30? So Guy and Gary bought some sewing machines and are making them in house with American labor for $450? No. They're trying to figure out a way to market 1000's of dressed coyotes that nobody wants. GFW are business men first. If there's a fat hog to be cut, they're sharpening their knives as I type this. Of course not. But you do know that many Canada Goose parkas are manufactured in China, right? So, using Canada Goose as an example (but it could also be any American-based clothing designer as well): 1)Someone grows the cotton used in the coats, then it is sent to a gin (first middleman) then to a textile factory to be made into cloth (second middleman) then possibly directly to Canada Goose or more likely to a fabric wholesaler (third middleman). 2) Someone grows the ducks for the down used in the coats. The down is then sold to whoever buys/sells down (middleman) before being bought by Canada Goose. 3) Someone traps the coyotes for the fur trim. That fur is then sold, either directly through FHA (one middleman), to Groenwold or another buyer that sells direct to producers (one middleman) or to a local buyer (first middleman) who then sells it through FHA or Groenwold (second middleman).
4) Canada Goose then takes all collected materials and has them shipped to China for manufacture into coats (middleman) before getting them back to sell, either directly or through other middlemen. For Groenwold, steps 1, 2, and 4 would be the same. But, unlike Canada Goose, for step 3, Groenwold would be buying the fur directly from the trappers, thus eliminating one or two middlemen, and lowering the cost that they have to pay for the fur. Like you said, it's just good business. Would you expect a business to undertake a project like this if they expected to incur a loss? What, just out of the goodness of their heart for the trapping community? Of course they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't intend to profit from it. Anyone that would expect them to do otherwise sounds communist. But something that can be beneficial for the business, can at the same time be beneficial for the trapping community, and this is and I think you know that. You just have a problem with Groeny for some reason, guess he didn't pay you enough for your blue titty sows one year or something, geez. I was going to address your post about them not being at the NTA, but it appears walleyed already did. You may notice other normal NTA vendors are absent this year as well, including the owner of this website.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/27/24 02:22 PM
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Canada goose is made in Canada,not China or anywhere else.
The chinese chicken coat is made in china.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: Boco]
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07/27/24 02:40 PM
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Canada goose is made in Canada,not China or anywhere else.
The chinese chicken coat is made in china. After further research, yes, their parkas are all made in Canada. It is their other items that are made overseas. Shirts and such are made in Italy and Romania, while hats and gloves are made in China. According to their own website.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/27/24 02:45 PM
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Dealing with the public is not fun. Ask most any self employed person including the ADC guys. I don't blame them for avoiding us when you read the above posts.......jk
Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: Coyote Clayton]
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07/27/24 03:23 PM
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LOL!!! I see what you did there! Love what they did. Having said that, I’ll buy one when they come to my house and put it in my window. I’ll give them a price and pay them what I want to. 12.344 seconds, no discussion. ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cool.gif)
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/27/24 05:18 PM
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I would love to see GFW succeed with this for sure.It is a very proactive approach-hope they market it well and it takes off again. X2 X3
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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Amazing how many people have business ideas to fix a problem thats not even there, LOL, and none of them have any business of their own to even know of a problem that needs fixing !!
A fur buyer comes out with a jacket with fur and is immediately shredded by a few people due to hostile feelings of bad business they know nothing of, nice way to help the fur business move along people !!
No wonder fur isn't moving in this country, no one who traps it wears it, someone who wants people to buy it, starts to make one and is chastised for not doing it like someone else, still others want some thing different made for them just because the maker is going to try and make one, LOL
Got to love free enterprise, got to be awful stout to read and listen to others tell one how to do it as well!!
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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Here's what I find amusing. GFW are not at the NTA convention this weekend in Sioux Falls where they should be. They need to be talking to trappers who bust their behind to produce the fur they need to keep their lights on. GFW is sitting this one out. They don't want to spend money on gas, lodging, a booth and listen to all the complaining about the fur market. They're sitting at home, free of expenses, posting about their new parka...free of charge, and everyone is buying in to the fact that they are rock stars and doing great things for the industry.
When you buy your parka, make sure you check the tag for country of origin. You going to rag on the Boss Man Mr. Dobbins for not being there too ? Geeesh some people are never happy. Groeny is opening up another market for fur and all you got to do is complain. This is something Groeny is going to do that I fully support. Get people wearing REAL fur again. This in turn may make others want to join the trend and bring back the market for coyotes
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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If he can get a couple hollywood movie stars to wear them in a movie theyll be off to the races Canada goose took off when some hollywood bimbo wore one naked on a smutts illustrated Magazine cover.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: Boco]
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07/27/24 09:32 PM
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Great to see they are doing this. Best of luck. Hopefully this will lead to something similar with other fur.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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No good deed goes unpunished, why trappers are in the shape they are in today. Hopefully their idea works, they sell so many of those parka's they can't keep enough coyote's coming in for trim and even the nay sayer's finally have a decent market for their stinky tick bit butt sniffer's no one else wants.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: kinley31]
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Here's what I find amusing. GFW are not at the NTA convention this weekend in Sioux Falls where they should be. They need to be talking to trappers who bust their behind to produce the fur they need to keep their lights on. GFW is sitting this one out. They don't want to spend money on gas, lodging, a booth and listen to all the complaining about the fur market. They're sitting at home, free of expenses, posting about their new parka...free of charge, and everyone is buying in to the fact that they are rock stars and doing great things for the industry.
When you buy your parka, make sure you check the tag for country of origin. Wow. I had no idea businessmen where in business to make money. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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07/28/24 12:25 AM
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There you go tiguy! Good thinking. And good ol' Trump would love having the liberals mad at him for something new. I think you might be on to something! Bring fur into the culture wars.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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Let's take up a collection to buy one and send it to DJT. He wears it once on the campaign trail this fall and every yote in a red state will be in trouble. You’re on to it! And it wouldn’t take but a few bucks to do it!! I doubt he’d charge anything to wear it. That’s just the way he roles.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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Any use of wild fur is great. I don’t care what country the coats are made in.
Those of you that are hating on this must not be fur trappers......
.....please go back to trapping the mice in your barn.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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There you go tiguy! Good thinking. And good ol' Trump would love having the liberals mad at him for something new. I think you might be on to something! Bring fur into the culture wars. Fur is already a big part of the culture wars. The left thinks utilizing fur and/or other animal parts is horribly cruel and inhumane. The right sees it as a renewable resource.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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Another ice age would boost sales
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/28/24 06:46 AM
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There you go tiguy! Good thinking. And good ol' Trump would love having the liberals mad at him for something new. I think you might be on to something! Bring fur into the culture wars. Fur is already a big part of the culture wars. The left thinks utilizing fur and/or other animal parts is horribly cruel and inhumane. The right sees it as a renewable resource. But I bet 99.9% of the left libetards sit on a leather seat when they ride in a vehicle! Last I checked that is an animal skin !!
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07/30/24 07:32 AM
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$450 for a quality, wear all day, any weather work coat with the proper insulation and materials isn't a bad price point. But if it's a $45 winter coat with fur trim added to the hood, cheap shell materials and poor insulation, it won't be flying very far. Just have to see what the coat looks and wears like.
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07/30/24 07:59 AM
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They donated the grand prize at the NTA, the ATV. Couldn’t make it, limited time and resources.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/30/24 03:21 PM
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**Disclosure – I don’t read too much on this board, but some topics pique my interest. This topic did.**
I am a trapper myself, buy a little fur every year and have a part-time furrier business. From my past sales history, I have probably sold 1 fur item out of every 10 sales to trappers. I am quite certain I am not the first person to comment on how we as trappers don’t market our product very well. The overseas fur market that we are all used to is slowly dying and all signs point to a very long road to get it back if it ever comes back. Unique marketing strategies must be developed to get fur out to the public.
The people of the United States (not speaking for Canada) are not exposed at all to fur. The trade shows I attend surprise me every time how most people have never touched fur let alone owned a fur hat or fur coat. Another opinion I have after talking with people is that the anti-fur crowd is not the biggest hurdle, we as trappers have. They are so small compared to what we think they are doing against us. You would be surprised where I have sent fur hats the last couple years. I sure was. The biggest hurdle we have as trappers is the limited opportunities to showcase our fur domestically in the US. (again, not speaking for Canada as I live in the US).
Selling these parkas at reasonable prices is a great idea to try and prop up demand and exposure for fur in the United States. $450 price point is reasonable, if manufactured to take the abuse of being outside working in the elements. Any type of sales strategy that showcases our product will help our industry in years to come. If everyone just throws up their hands, complains, and reminisces about the old days, well the fur industry will be dead before we can blink.
I haven’t met many cattle farmers that don’t eat their own cows they raise.
Sadly, I don’t meet many trappers that wear the fur they catch either.
Trap fur, sell fur, but most importantly wear fur. It’s one of the best marketing tools we have as trappers.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/30/24 03:37 PM
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Boco
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That is a great post. It is how I started selling fur products 40 years ago. People seen me wearing my own fur and wanted the same bad,would pay near anything to get it.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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[Re: glv]
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07/30/24 04:19 PM
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**Disclosure – I don’t read too much on this board, but some topics pique my interest. This topic did.**
I am a trapper myself, buy a little fur every year and have a part-time furrier business. From my past sales history, I have probably sold 1 fur item out of every 10 sales to trappers. I am quite certain I am not the first person to comment on how we as trappers don’t market our product very well. The overseas fur market that we are all used to is slowly dying and all signs point to a very long road to get it back if it ever comes back. Unique marketing strategies must be developed to get fur out to the public.
The people of the United States (not speaking for Canada) are not exposed at all to fur. The trade shows I attend surprise me every time how most people have never touched fur let alone owned a fur hat or fur coat. Another opinion I have after talking with people is that the anti-fur crowd is not the biggest hurdle, we as trappers have. They are so small compared to what we think they are doing against us. You would be surprised where I have sent fur hats the last couple years. I sure was. The biggest hurdle we have as trappers is the limited opportunities to showcase our fur domestically in the US. (again, not speaking for Canada as I live in the US).
Selling these parkas at reasonable prices is a great idea to try and prop up demand and exposure for fur in the United States. $450 price point is reasonable, if manufactured to take the abuse of being outside working in the elements. Any type of sales strategy that showcases our product will help our industry in years to come. If everyone just throws up their hands, complains, and reminisces about the old days, well the fur industry will be dead before we can blink.
I haven’t met many cattle farmers that don’t eat their own cows they raise.
Sadly, I don’t meet many trappers that wear the fur they catch either.
Trap fur, sell fur, but most importantly wear fur. It’s one of the best marketing tools we have as trappers.
Amen trapper
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/30/24 05:42 PM
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Congratulations to GFW for doing this. It can only help a depressed market. I think we all owe them a big thank-you. I hope they make a bundle of money on this venture.
57 years trapping. It's who I am. Every day is still as exciting as it was when I was a kid but a little more work.
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07/30/24 05:58 PM
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I was told by Bryce at GFW, that they donated a $7500, four wheeler. I'm not sure why some think that certain businesses are obligated to be there.
As far as the parka's go, this is a risk GFW is willing to take. It is clearly a good thing for trapping and fur. Could they profit or lose money? Either one is a possibility. I am elated they are stepping up!
Frankly I bet many supply dealers would probably rather stay home then pack up a trailer, drive across country, rent motel rooms for multiple days for multiple people and go to a convention. No one is getting rich or that much ahead. I am thankful they all chose to attend. Great to see Groeny trying things to help customers and their business . So I don’t blame them for not going but it is good customer relations to go.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/30/24 06:14 PM
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I do not see a push on coyotes from this. I would guess they are trying to recover money from the coyotes they had in stock since the crash of the coyote market. It seems like Groney and his Chinaman partner had 200,000 tanned coyotes they were going to put on a sale that was cancelled by the Chinese Government. Did any one hear him say he was needing coyotes in the last two or three years? The plan was to take over the coyote world market, then the fur trade.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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07/30/24 08:43 PM
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Good luck getting rid of all those tanned coyotes they got stuck with. Don’t know if this has anything to do with a market?
Who is John Galt?
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07/30/24 09:40 PM
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Boco
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Good luck getting rid of all those tanned coyotes they got stuck with. Don’t know if this has anything to do with a market? Like the Chinamen that got stuck with all those high priced mink coats?
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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07/30/24 09:51 PM
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Personally, I think ANY fur being utilized and worn domestically is a PLUS.
I can’t tell you how many people (women usually, but occasionally men) that I’ve thanked quickly for wearing fur.
Airports, cities, dinners, rodeos, etc.
Most just say “thank you”, and that is fine, but a few stop and tell the story about how it came about, like their husband caught the bobcats, or the beaver used came off of their ranch. They are usually proud and a tad bit defiant to anti fur sentiments
For anyone to step up and produce something that has wild fur on it, or any fur for that matter, is great in my opinion.
We personally have a lot of items made from fur;
Bed spreads, coats. jackets, head bands, and collars on coats. I even had a size 1 mink coat made for my granddaughter.
Not bragging, just making the point that we love fur, and are proud to wear it.
I’ve had a ‘Fur Fashion Show’ at Coyote Days every year, and have attended conventions that have done the same.
People (including trappers) love it, and they get to see things made out of OUR fur.
There are a lot of people making decent money producing fur products, and I cannot think of a more noble way to make a living or supplement an income.
If you don’t want to buy or wear fur yourself, at least recommend to an interested party to try a garment on, or buy a fur pillow. I’ve watched collections grow in a few years.
It’s just a start, but I think Growenwald’s are on to something
Have a good evening!
John
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/31/24 12:35 AM
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It is not that I do not like the idea of Groney using fur, I just don't see a coyote boom starting. I would bet he is using coyotes fur that he has owned since before the coyote crash. When you have 200,000 tanned coyotes with $100+ tied up in them and you can not sell them, you have to do something.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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07/31/24 12:57 AM
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It is not that I do not like the idea of Groney using fur, I just don't see a coyote boom starting. I would bet he is using coyotes fur that he has owned since before the coyote crash. When you have 200,000 tanned coyotes with $100+ tied up in them and you can not sell them, you have to do something. You most likely are right. But still I smile. Because 200,000 coyotes are just that. 200,000. How many trims does that result in? 200,000, 4, 6? IF Groenwold is successful in this endeavor, they WILL at some point need more coyotes, no? Will the coyote market surge THIS year, because of this? Probably not. But next year, or the year after? I'm sorry, but the people poopooing this idea remind me SO much of liberal democrats.... But but but how does this help ME right NOW? With absolutely zero regard for how it can help the industry as a whole in the future. YES, Groenwold is 100% doing this to make a profit. PROBABLY, they're doing it to make money off of pelts they already hold. But SO WHAT if doing so creates a market that never was there before, in future seasons?
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07/31/24 08:07 AM
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The market was there before, and it died. Have you ever seen a fad die and come back win a few years? I just don't see this being the saving grace some think it is. They reason the coyote market got so high was that Groney and company were trying to corner it. They bought all those coyotes thinking they could peddle them in China tanned and control the market. They bought the coyotes, had them tanned and could not sell them. It has nothing to do with now. It is just being realistic. How many years does it take for a fad to come back in, if it ever does.
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07/31/24 09:35 AM
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The market was there before, and it died. Have you ever seen a fad die and come back win a few years? I just don't see this being the saving grace some think it is. They reason the coyote market got so high was that Groney and company were trying to corner it. They bought all those coyotes thinking they could peddle them in China tanned and control the market. They bought the coyotes, had them tanned and could not sell them. It has nothing to do with now. It is just being realistic. How many years does it take for a fad to come back in, if it ever does. Depends upon what celebrity is seen wearing it and whether the fans of that said celebrity bite on his or her choice to wear it. Get a musician,rapper,singer whatever wearing something cool made out of real fur and we are off to the races. Period. Look at where our society has gone these days-who would ever have thought that fur would be banned in places because of a bunch of whining people that are paid to do the whining. Think about that for a second-yet society rides right along and does what they are told or lead to believe is bad. Not trying to get off topic etc.. but I used to do skinning demos on high school for outdoor living classes. Now a days teachers/news/social media all teach our kids all the bad things that they should dislike. People can't make up their own minds/decisions for themselves anymore. It really sad but true that in todays world people don't utilize more of natural products like fur instead of plastics/synthetics. I too am like John Graham-when I see someone wearing fur I always make a point of saying good stuff or beautiful trim on your parka etc..
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07/31/24 10:19 AM
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Just don't understand people that are down on any type of fur sales and call themselves trappers. People wearing fur will make others see it and want fur also.
NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers
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07/31/24 10:29 AM
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The market was there before, and it died. Have you ever seen a fad die and come back win a few years? I just don't see this being the saving grace some think it is. They reason the coyote market got so high was that Groney and company were trying to corner it. They bought all those coyotes thinking they could peddle them in China tanned and control the market. They bought the coyotes, had them tanned and could not sell them. It has nothing to do with now. It is just being realistic. How many years does it take for a fad to come back in, if it ever does. Depends upon what celebrity is seen wearing it and whether the fans of that said celebrity bite on his or her choice to wear it. Get a musician,rapper,singer whatever wearing something cool made out of real fur and we are off to the races. Period. Look at where our society has gone these days-who would ever have thought that fur would be banned in places because of a bunch of whining people that are paid to do the whining. Think about that for a second-yet society rides right along and does what they are told or lead to believe is bad. Not trying to get off topic etc.. but I used to do skinning demos on high school for outdoor living classes. Now a days teachers/news/social media all teach our kids all the bad things that they should dislike. People can't make up their own minds/decisions for themselves anymore. It really sad but true that in todays world people don't utilize more of natural products like fur instead of plastics/synthetics. I too am like John Graham-when I see someone wearing fur I always make a point of saying good stuff or beautiful trim on your parka etc.. Guess Im lucky to live in a cold climate where people still use and also wear fur and the market for it is pretty steady.More of a utility thing but fur always looks great (fashonable) when nice skins are used.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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07/31/24 12:21 PM
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I think we are beyond the “fad fur market”. If anyone is waiting for a “fad fur market” to come along anytime soon, in my opinion we are going to be waiting for quite some time. I don’t like to use terms like “movements” but wearing fur must become part of everyday life for folks that live in climates where it is realistic to wear fur if we want a sustaining fur market. But before I label fur as a northern climate item, I want to share that I have sold many novelty style fur hats to the west coast, deep south, and on the east coast where the climate is still mild.
Contrary to what we hear from the anti’s, people like fur. Fur is in more demand than we think. From a previous post I made, I mentioned we as trappers have a hard time showcasing our product in the US. Until we figure out a way to show our product more, we are still going to be sitting here hoping for a fad fur market to come along. The old ways of selling to overseas markets are not gone yet, but I can see the end of that road getting closer every year.
Is the coyote market coming back with GFW marketing a parka? Most likely not, but I for one hope it spurs interest and brings the market up enough to be able to move skins at a steady pace, but I look at it as another fur product out in the market for potential consumers to see.
I will end with these thoughts. We need a sustaining fur market that doesn’t rely on overseas markets or fads that are short lived. Chances are this isn’t a new idea; I hope it isn’t because we have wasted quite a bit of time already if it is. We need to come up with ways to lift the North American Fur market to a level where people are more able to see and purchase fur items.
I am open to ideas. A good start is the recent uptick in new furriers trying to market their catches by sewing fur items and selling at local shows or online, GFW introducing a fur trimmed parka, trappers selling tanned goods to friends, neighbors, and local shops.
All these things help and add up in the end.
I might sound overly optimistic, but when someone loves something so much and fears the end of the road is getting closer, you must think differently and try anything to make it work.
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07/31/24 01:44 PM
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If you know a little about the more recent history of the fur trade(early to mid 20th century in North America,)you will know that every town and neighborhood in the cities had a local furrier (or even two or three) that made fur products for the local people. These so called "Mom and Pop " fur stores are what pushed fur prices to high levels since people were exposed to fur products daily loved what they saw and wanted it and knew where to get it. This is still true today with small fur buisnesses-they boom for the same reason-just not enough people going to fur school anymore to learn the trade.So not enough of these buisnesses operating. Where they do operate they do very well and most have difficulty meeting up with demand.
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07/31/24 02:08 PM
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If you know a little about the more recent history of the fur trade(early to mid 20th century in North America,)you will know that every town and neighborhood in the cities had a local furrier (or even two or three) that made fur products for the local people. These so called "Mom and Pop " fur stores are what pushed fur prices to high levels since people were exposed to fur products daily loved what they saw and wanted it and knew where to get it. This is still true today with small fur buisnesses-they boom for the same reason-just not enough people going to fur school anymore to learn the trade.So not enough of these buisnesses operating. Where they do operate they do very well and most have difficulty meeting up with demand. I definitely know what you mean about the last sentence. Demand has been heavy and at times hard to keep up for me being a part-time fur shop. "If you make it, they will buy!"
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07/31/24 02:35 PM
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There use to be 4 fairly large furriers In the Madison WI area. There are none at this time. And I don't see there ever being any again.
I hope groney sells 1000s of coats.
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glv sees what I am trying to say. I would love to see a fur boom, but I just don't see a cheap copy of a coat that was king kicking it off. There were copy coats being made in China before CG bailed for less then what CG was selling them for. They sure didn't hold the market up. Some even had a patch similar to CG's. He may sell enough to use up his coyotes and dig himself out of the hole, but one person buying fur does not push the price much.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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Didn't Joe Willy Namath wear a full length coyote fur coat to the Super Bowl back in the day a few decades back ?
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Didn't Joe Willy Namath wear a full length coyote fur coat to the Super Bowl back in the day a few decades back ?
w Yes, was on the front page of the Dailey News.
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Yep ! Joe Namath should be the answer among the 80 year old market. Maybe he can hawk coyote depends?
Who is John Galt?
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Chat GPT argument for wild fur over synthetic coats. In my opinion we have a generational chance to position fur as the environmentally sound choice in certain segments of the clothing industry. Even if you do not believe in climate change, micro plastics or water shortages, this is the number one argument that I pull out when discussing the use of fur. The amount of money being put into climate initiatives alone makes it worth while for the fur industry to try and get in as a environmentally friendly industry.
Arguing for the environmental benefits of wearing wild fur over mass-produced synthetic clothing involves several key points supported by relevant statistics. Here’s a structured argument:
1. Resource Efficiency Wild Fur: Wild fur is often a byproduct of wildlife management and conservation efforts. According to the International Fur Federation (IFF), wild fur is frequently sourced from regulated trapping programs aimed at maintaining ecological balance. This process uses animals that are culled to prevent overpopulation, which can otherwise lead to ecological imbalances. Therefore, the fur from these animals helps in managing and conserving wildlife populations.
Synthetic Clothing: The production of synthetic fibers like polyester is resource-intensive. The European Commission reports that producing 1 kilogram of polyester requires about 5.5 kg of CO2 emissions, and the entire industry contributes approximately 1.35 billion tons of CO2 annually. This high resource consumption and carbon footprint are significantly higher than the resource needs for wild fur.
2. Durability and Longevity Wild Fur: Wild fur, like other high-quality fur, is highly durable and can last for several decades. The IFF highlights that wild fur garments can have a lifespan of 30 to 50 years with proper care. This durability reduces the frequency of replacement and minimizes waste.
Synthetic Clothing: Mass-produced synthetic clothing, typically made from polyester and other artificial fibers, has a shorter lifespan. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) indicates that synthetic textiles often wear out and are discarded within a few years, leading to higher turnover and increased waste.
3. Waste Management and Biodegradability Wild Fur: Wild fur is biodegradable and can be repurposed or recycled. The IFF notes that natural fur can decompose and return to the ecosystem without leaving long-term waste. Additionally, many wild fur garments are reused or upcycled, extending their lifecycle and reducing waste.
Synthetic Clothing: Synthetic fibers are non-biodegradable and can persist in landfills for hundreds of years. The Ellen MacArthur Foundation reports that microplastics from synthetic clothing are released into the environment with each wash, contributing to significant pollution.
4. Carbon Footprint Wild Fur: The carbon footprint of wild fur is relatively low. According to the IFF, wild fur’s carbon footprint is around 1.7 kg CO2 equivalent per kilogram of fur, which is lower compared to the emissions associated with synthetic fibers.
Synthetic Clothing: The production of synthetic fibers like polyester has a much higher carbon footprint. The Climate Council states that synthetic fibers contribute approximately 35% of the fashion industry's total greenhouse gas emissions, making their environmental impact substantial compared to wild fur.
5. Water Usage Wild Fur: The production of wild fur generally requires less water compared to synthetic textiles. The IFF indicates that the water usage for wild fur is minimal compared to the water needed for manufacturing synthetic fibers.
Synthetic Clothing: The production of synthetic fibers is water-intensive. The World Resources Institute reports that producing one kilogram of polyester requires about 80 liters of water, excluding additional water used in dyeing and finishing processes.
6. Pollution and Chemicals Wild Fur: Wild fur’s environmental impact is lower in terms of chemical use. Modern practices in fur handling often involve fewer chemicals compared to the extensive use of dyes and finishes in synthetic clothing production.
Synthetic Clothing: The production of synthetic fibers involves various toxic chemicals. The EPA estimates that the textile industry releases large amounts of pollutants during the production and dyeing of synthetic fabrics, contributing to environmental contamination.
Conclusion While ethical considerations regarding the use of wild fur must be addressed, data suggests that wild fur can be more environmentally conscious than mass-produced synthetic clothing. The lower carbon footprint, reduced water usage, and biodegradability of wild fur present significant environmental advantages over the resource-intensive, high-emission, and pollution-heavy synthetic fiber industry. By supporting sustainable wildlife management and conservation programs, wild fur offers a more eco-friendly alternative in the context of fashion.
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Yukon John
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Although a good argument for sure, but green energy isn't about oil or carbon footprint, it's about control. Until people wake up, we're all just spinning our wheels.
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Although a good argument for sure, but green energy isn't about oil or carbon footprint, it's about control. Until people wake up, we're all just spinning our wheels. We know that, but many of the people that "preach" it don't. We need to use what they think they know against them.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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Good post saskfly. I would emphasize the extreme harm microfibers are causing in our oceans' ecosystems. Microfiber contamination is a huge environmental concern with some sources estimating up to 500,000 metric tonnes annually reaching our oceans and persisting for up to 500 years!
Microplastics are even being found in human blood and mother's milk. The apparel industry is a major source of microplastics.
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Re: Groenewold Launches Coyote Parkas!
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I've made fur hats for years now, not a lot, I make to order every year there are more orders, people will wear fur when others around them do ! If you have a presentable item well made and cost effective to move !
The cost has to be affordable as well, one cannot charge for a out of country 300 dollar hat here, they won't sale, unless it's a binge or dare deal for others, I know seen it happen enough to know its a thing.
Our country is not a fur wearing country any longer for full fur apparel, if it's fur hat's, collared coats or gloves for the winter, you can do pretty good if your work is presentable, it has to look and feel professional, not thrown together for a few buck's, any one doing fur work to sell them selves will tell you the same thing.
I buy fur in small amounts every year for my use, have it tanned professionally so it looks and feels expensive, not any home tanned stuff that is semi soft, or has hard spots, this is imperative for selling ! I also trap and hunt my own fur, every year I increase my inventory and now retired will invest in pre-made hats of several styles due to customers now sending referenced people to me, an inventory I never wanted to do, however there are now other reasons to do so !!
People want fur to sale, everyone have to do their part, trappers need to wear it to all outdoor stuff in the winter, even if it's just in a camp around, during a hunt or family affair they need their family and friends to wear it as well, everyone needs to do their part, not wait until a large buyer tries it on their own , just so others feel they can then again flood the market with fur.
Which this in its self is another debate that needs some real attention for controlling supply and the market, not to just hit fur hard because the price is up some. which the majority of trappers do instantly the next year, few trappers are real stewards of supply and control of their product. It's a dollar deal for other things in life they want to advertise they bought it with their fur catch !
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