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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186282
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FWIW in my opinion there is not a driver shortage. The companies that pay get good help. The ones that do not are hiring the non english speaking cant drive people. Mega companies like SWIFT England JB Hunt Prime TransAm. Run their own schools, wont pay anything, hire anybody that walks in. They are having driver shortages.


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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: danny clifton] #8186283
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
When I was OTR I could tell in the first five minutes if I was at a union place or not. Non union I was in and out. Union takes hours. Again not an opinion but truth.


Yep, spot on.

We had drivers that absolutely refused to deliver to union shops because they sat there forever to get unloaded compared to non union shops.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186292
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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: Wanna Be] #8186301
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Again, there’s NOT a person on here who hasn’t contributed to the left in one way or another. So where do y’all draw the line? From the food you buy, to the clothes you wear, to the car you drive, you’re contributing, lol. And y’all upset someone has a better job and retirement than you do.


I do the best I can and try to avoid corporations that do not support my values. Can't always do that but I push back where ever I can. Been doing that as long as I remember.

Used to be a thing. I well remember the one store in the community that sold beer. None of us baptists would do business there even though the owner was a member of the church on the books and only showed up at Easter and Christmas.


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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: k snow] #8186311
08/01/24 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Just trying to understand your principles. Not attacking you.

Buying goods from a company that supports LBTQ, bad.

Working for a union that supports them, okay.

Gotcha.



This may be hard but being a member of a union does not mean the democrats get money from me. I know it's hard to understand after being told for years union dues go to democrats but they don't. They go to run the business. Yes they have a political action committee and host and used to try to pressure members to give to those. I don't filled out a paper saying nope. And they no longer try to pressure member to give like they used to. Wouldn't work out well for them considering how many Trump stickers are on hard hats and vehicle's in the parking lot.

I work for my company under a union contract I don't work for the Union but I am a member of the union.
. N You're probably confused with trade Unions it's a different set up.

Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: danny clifton] #8186341
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
What union drivers you talking about? Very few teamster companies left. Companies like Old Dominion have put them out of business. OD is not union, starts team drivers at 115000 a year. Pension, insurance vacation sick and holiday pay. Solo starts at 80. About what walmart drivers start at. There are others. I am unaware of any teamster jobs even close to that.



Ips freight for one. 100% paid company insurance pension, 30 and out retirement and at least 10$ an hour more than I'm making.

Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186429
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Hey k snow. Near as I can tell I'm not the one telling other how to live. Seems to be the anti union people wanting to have issues with how I make a living.

How are your standards. I'm beting your a big NRA guy with your black powder club and all. Always amazing to me how people support a gun rights organization that has supported the works gun control legislation passed in this country. Yet they keep on chugging along pretending they are not supporting gun restrictions supporting the NRA. The NRA not only supports gun restrictions but loves them. Infact they need them for the fear to bring in more money. They need some they can fight and win now and then to show look what we did aren't we great we helped beat some state level gun control, Now forget all about those huge federal restrictions we supported and are still in place 1934, 1968,1986,. Just keep sending the money to keep our salary, and lawyers paid.

Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: Wanna Be] #8186453
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Again, there’s NOT a person on here who hasn’t contributed to the left in one way or another. So where do y’all draw the line? From the food you buy, to the clothes you wear, to the car you drive, you’re contributing, lol. And y’all upset someone has a better job and retirement than you do.

You are spot on

Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186470
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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: Providence Farm] #8186472
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Hey k snow. Near as I can tell I'm not the one telling other how to live. Seems to be the anti union people wanting to have issues with how I make a living.

How are your standards. I'm beting your a big NRA guy with your black powder club and all. Always amazing to me how people support a gun rights organization that has supported the works gun control legislation passed in this country. Yet they keep on chugging along pretending they are not supporting gun restrictions supporting the NRA. The NRA not only supports gun restrictions but loves them. Infact they need them for the fear to bring in more money. They need some they can fight and win now and then to show look what we did aren't we great we helped beat some state level gun control, Now forget all about those huge federal restrictions we supported and are still in place 1934, 1968,1986,. Just keep sending the money to keep our salary, and lawyers paid.


Wrong. Havent given a dime to them in at least 10 years.

Won't buy Carhartt. Have not shopped at WalMart or Target for 18 years. Won't drink any Bud products.
Don't buy new vehicles, so manufacturers don't get money from me.
I also don't post about hours worked or money made. No one needs to know that.


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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: danny clifton] #8186474
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
When I was OTR I could tell in the first five minutes if I was at a union place or not. Non union I was in and out. Union takes hours. Again not an opinion but truth.

And the "Lost Time Accident" ratio between Union and non Union jobs reflects that,,,but why bother telling the WHOLE story. grin

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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186477
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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186478
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Most anti- union sentiment stems from jealousy, but as mentioned above few will put in the long hours, 7 day wks, and countless missed holidays over the years.

Union worker for 35 yrs with no regrets other than missed time with family....Retirement is good, real good.

I worked with an older guy when i was a teen, he put in 25 years at a paper mill, made good money, had good beeeny's for back then, etc. Union got them all whipped up to unionize, make alot more money, more time off, blah blah blah. Owner told them he was paying them all he could afford and still turn a profit so if they unionized he would just shut the doors and go out of business. So they voted to unionize and he shut the place down! No retirement, no nothing then! Old guy i worked with had to work till he dropped dead.

I never had a problem with union's till i watched on the TV the arrogance of the GM workers, all ive ever bought since being grown was gm products but after that, never again. Now after driving the over priced junk they make at work id not buy one anyway.

Imagine since your in Ky. your in the miner's union? That's about the ONLY industry i agree needs to be unionized. Federal labor laws protect workers now, no need for a union.


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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: Jtrapper] #8186632
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Most anti- union sentiment stems from jealousy, but as mentioned above few will put in the long hours, 7 day wks, and countless missed holidays over the years.

Union worker for 35 yrs with no regrets other than missed time with family....Retirement is good, real good.

I worked with an older guy when i was a teen, he put in 25 years at a paper mill, made good money, had good beeeny's for back then, etc. Union got them all whipped up to unionize, make alot more money, more time off, blah blah blah. Owner told them he was paying them all he could afford and still turn a profit so if they unionized he would just shut the doors and go out of business. So they voted to unionize and he shut the place down! No retirement, no nothing then! Old guy i worked with had to work till he dropped dead.

I never had a problem with union's till i watched on the TV the arrogance of the GM workers, all ive ever bought since being grown was gm products but after that, never again. Now after driving the over priced junk they make at work id not buy one anyway.

Imagine since your in Ky. your in the miner's union? That's about the ONLY industry i agree needs to be unionized. Federal labor laws protect workers now, no need for a union.

Nah Jtrap, Not a miner...Worked in a closed shop (no option to work there being non-union) in the chemical industry.

Used to also think unions were unecessary, and did work several non-union jobs prior with equal success.

"But" many corporations I learned are dirty, greedy bloodsucking scum that you wouldn't have a chance in hades of getting a fair shake without representation...I get the independent stand on your own values position, and believe in that up to a point myself...In 35 yrs employment I never filed a grievance, kept busy & did my job.

Where the union helped was negotiating health care benefits, 401K contributions, and pension benefits, and most importantly safe working conditions... Suprisingly we learned a adversarial relationship worked best with the company...Whenever we tried several attempts at joint partnerships they used that as leverage to break it off in us every time.

Had at least 2 doz underpayment errors in the paycheck over 35 yrs, that the union resolved. (Underpayed in their favor every time, never overpayed.)

Yeah, I could have moved around the country and found good non -union employment, but chose to stay local with family where we have been since the 1800's...Never voted democrat, never payed into a political fund, and that includes dues.

Just chose to have the best possible job locally, and glad I did.



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Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: k snow] #8186757
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Hey k snow. Near as I can tell I'm not the one telling other how to live. Seems to be the anti union people wanting to have issues with how I make a living.

How are your standards. I'm beting your a big NRA guy with your black powder club and all. Always amazing to me how people support a gun rights organization that has supported the works gun control legislation passed in this country. Yet they keep on chugging along pretending they are not supporting gun restrictions supporting the NRA. The NRA not only supports gun restrictions but loves them. Infact they need them for the fear to bring in more money. They need some they can fight and win now and then to show look what we did aren't we great we helped beat some state level gun control, Now forget all about those huge federal restrictions we supported and are still in place 1934, 1968,1986,. Just keep sending the money to keep our salary, and lawyers paid.


Wrong. Havent given a dime to them in at least 10 years.

Won't buy Carhartt. Have not shopped at WalMart or Target for 18 years. Won't drink any Bud products.
Don't buy new vehicles, so manufacturers don't get money from me.
I also don't post about hours worked or money made. No one needs to know that.




Never talked about how many hours are In a knife pouch or buckskin jacket. Or about them. I work and invest its what I do so what I talk about. You tan skins and make amazing things with them and your artistic abilities. It's what you spend your time on and so what you take about.
Now I don't give a rip if you don't like my hobbies or activities I'm interested in but it's the same as you talking and showing off yours . Can't see its kind of sad. But your not the only short sided individual I have know .

Re: UAW is anti 2A [Re: trapdog1] #8186885
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PF - you and I are obviously cut from very different cloth.

I asked simple questions to try to clarify where your principles start and stop, to better understand your arguments here. You responded with attacks and accusations. Enjoy your hobbies. I'll enjoy mine.

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