The internet is a great vast place to learn lots of things and I try to use it as such. Sometimes I can contribute, most of the time I’m trying to learn like you. Lots of good folks here to learn from.

A bullet is literally falling out of the sky past 600 yards. Doesn't matter if it's a 223 or a 300 ultra mag. Not to mention the time it takes for the bullet to get there. I had this same conversation on another forum and I got bashed for saying 450 is my max, I don't shoot the barrel out of my gun practicing before I go hunting, I will take shots at coyotes at 6-800 yards. I was berated and told what an ignorant unethical bafoon I am. Some people place themselves far above everyone else, so they can look down on us. Must be a pain living in town and only getting to shoot at the range or the few times per year they get to hunt.

I am bothered by whatever idiot convinced wolfdog that a 270 was inadequate for a 500 yard shot at a deer. That the owner of the rifle deserved ridicule. Cortana needs to stick to competitions.

I really need to stop tryin to use examples and stuff because I feel like i keep loosing a lot of y'all.... reminds of when everyone was thinking I was saying all white people who flew a Confederate flag where racist

Yes sir,

You mentioned to me about shooting on a windy day.

Today is really windy so I went shooting. I got humbled pretty quick! Odd part is, my shots were more high than left or right which has me baffled. The last 2-300 yards is where there's trees on both sides of the range and in that cut, the flags were blowing the opposite way from the first 300 yards that is open . maybe an up draft too?

Here's a pic of the range. I was shooting to the bright colored burm and to the next one, all shots were higher than usaul.

wolfie- If I still had the connections, I get you out here on the plains and hunt deer, especially white-tail, like pheasants. If nothing shows ups when posted up during the first or last light, the time in between is busting deer out of cover, such as tall grass, low wetlands, etc. Almost all of those shots are running shots. What counts in the end is the animal is dead on the ground and there will be meat in the freezer-- I know how to cut up a deer or an antelope.

I know a lot of deer hunters, especially forest hunters, will hold their noses at that sort of deer hunting, but most of us "prairie" hunters generally don't care. We used to have (I haven't checked lately) north of 65% success rate for deer hunting (not counting the Black Hills) in either the East or West River deer zones.That includes any scores, such as does and fawns--and by the way, northern whitetail fawns are considerably larger than southern ones.

A majority of the deer I've taken have been running shots from 30 to 250 yards, and on numerous occasions its been the fourth or fifth shot that has dropped them.

That's reality here.

wind gets you

same target first picture calm 420 yards 10 rounds you can't see a few under the tape measure in the inner part of the recess, one was so perfect throught he middle it took the elbow off the back that was screwed in covering that hole.


second picture has the same original shots on it , but was a year later , gusting wind Ihad to hold 6-8 inches off the right side of the plate full value wind around 15-20 gusting
those hits to the right edge of the plate , the wind would die just as the shot broke


this is 308 with 180gr bullets same load both times , same rifle both times , bipod the shot is across a hay field.

the one through hole and one deep crater were shot standing at 200 and 300 I stopped doing that as it is extra hard on the plate

Most long shots I try to keep at 400 or less. If the wind isn't blowing I'd shoot at 500 max and I shoot enough to know what to dial on my scope.Usually at 400 yards or more I can get prone and use my bipod legs. I shoot a 25.06 but cant judge the wind well. I did watch my son smoke an antalope at 612 yards with a good 10 mph wind. He has a wind indicator I think it's a kestrel he dialed for wind and elevation. He can definately out shoot me lol.

I'm learning, on a Deer sized target I'd have backboned him. Trying to get better.

I have 22-250s specifically for burning the barrels out on. My opinion is they are the perfect rifle to practice control and trigger touch on. I shoot about 200 - 1000 rounds a month when components are available. My hunting rifles are 270 win, 270 WSM, and 300 WMag. 270 I shoot to 700 meter, the 270WSM is my favorite and a great round to 900. My 300 is fun, and I'll go as far as 1200M with it, but its a beast to carry. For hunting, I consider 50% of my practice range is a no brainer. My personal limit is about 75% of my practice range. Conditions and confidence in the moment dictates 100% of when i touch the trigger. Had elk perfectly presented at 1/4 away and just knew not to touch the trigger. regardless of anyone's skills and ability level, self awareness and self control is the #1 factor of what shot to take. In all fairness to myself, I know I am not the same as I was 10 years ago. I can still drop my heart rate 10-15 beats easily, but my body doesn't follow suit like it had.

6.5 creed at 1102 yards

There's no way 1350 yards is an ethical shot. I don't care how good your shot placement is.

My bullet s going as fast at 1000yds than a bullet at the muzzle of a 30-30.

that your personal ethics or someone elses?

It's easy to get painted into a box by ones own experiences and ideas, a lot of people say you can't do this or that when what they actually should be saying is that they have never had to opportunity to learn how to do this or that. Now I realize that the ethics of shooting an animal at long range is different than shooting a target at long range because the target isn't going to move as or after you break the shot and if you make a bad shot on the target it is not wounded but there are people out there who are capable of some amazing things and they can do them on demand not just something that happened once. The idea of shooting to a mile or more to me is unreal but there are a couple of fellas who occasionally stop by the local rimfire matches that compete at up to 2 miles. Now when you are shooting so far away that not only do you have to worry about trajectory, and wind but also you have to factor the rotation of the earth in that is complicated and gets impressive, they have shown me what all goes into calculating their firing solution and it is more like planning a moon launch than a shot.

All depends which way the bullet is going in relation to the wind. Just like an airplane , if the wind is at your back or in your face, the bullet will gain or lose elevation, stay airborne longer or shorter, the rise and fall curve will lengthen or shorten. A perfect side wind is ideal for making calculations.

Bullet airborne for a full second, a lot can change before that bullet gets to its destination. Animals aren't always stationary

2bit I'm with u on this thread

Life would be boring if we all agreed. I try my best to keep it civil

how many of you guys ever shot game beyond 600 yards? if you haven't then you really don't know, your giving an inexperienced opinion.