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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8195094
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so, I'm thinking half (the second of your two "issues") of your concerns are unfounded...

Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8195220
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Originally Posted by patrapperbuster
First, is the timeline of the earth & universe. The bible states that genisis is 4004 b.c.. That means everything is only 6000+ years old? NO WAY

Second, the bible is clear that no life is on other planets or throughout the universe. Something as vast as the universe would have the same physics & building blocks of life as earth (and probably even more), but no life? NO WAY

Your thoughts?

Not sure where in Genesis you're determining the earth is 4,000 BC. The earth as we know it may be according to some biblical scholars. Many believe in two floods which would explain things such as dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc.

Where did you read in the bible that states there is no life on other planets?


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8195227
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Maybe it was posted on here that I heard this: BIBLE: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

When you buy a new vehicle, you get an instruction manual with it. It will tell you all about you vehicle and how to maintain it. For me, the bible is my instruction manual.


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8195237
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Their time tables were different back then. Wasn't Moses 600 or 800 years old. In all the translations, it must've started off at 60 or 80 years old. It's like that game in elementary school where one person whispers something in the next persons ear and by the time it gets to the last guy it's completely changed....lol
I'll bet it's just a matter of time before they find some kind of old crustations in the rocks on Mars where the oceans used to be.

I find it interesting that people believe we've put space craft on Mars.


So you must believe that 7000 people in 33 states and 11 foreign countries have been in on a conspiracy for 20 years and no one has ever let the secret slip out ?


Here's some recent info.

https://news.sky.com/story/mars-cou...-planets-surface-scientists-say-13196193


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: white17] #8195341
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What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196519
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Quite a variety of opinions. Obviously each individual takes the bible differently.

THE 4004 BC is printed right at the beginning of the Genesis page. Why even put that there if it means nothing?
A dated timeline is put on ALL books of the bible, both old & new testament. Some may not even notice these when reading the bible.

Most should re-read Genesis chapter 1 & chapter 2:1-3. It is implied & clear to me that GOD only created life on EARTH before He rested.

Maybe some things should have been more clearly worded in the bible so we could all understand it the same way?

For the record, I do believe in GOD - 100%. The bible (& other religious writings) not 100%

More food for thought - ever wonder about the books they did not put into bible? The bible did not fall from the sky.
The bible was not put together and canonized until about 200 AD or so by a group of top religious leaders.
The book of Enoch was removed about the same time period.

Each individual should not look to the sky for GOD, but inside one's own heart


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196525
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I am NOT smarter than the Almighty so I won't be trying to catch him in any gotcha moments. Anyone else can warship at the alter of man's knowledge but I will pass.

If you are sure mankind had a good grasp of the worlds timeline, don't read up on the Guadalupe Woman- or will mess up yer day.


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8196527
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


You and Chancey are the main reasons Ive invested so heavily in Reynolds Wrap tinfoil company....keep her up! laugh

Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8196540
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


I'm not sure that Bahamians are known for their space explorations.

Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: Pike River] #8196545
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


I'm not sure that Bahamians are known for their space explorations.

They probably share thier info with Zambia's space program. (of course, they're in on the hoax too).

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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


You and Chancey are the main reasons Ive invested so heavily in Reynolds Wrap tinfoil company....keep her up! laugh

Besure and get the heavy duty stuff.


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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What I do know is I'm related to a retired Nasau rocket scientist that would fit right in the bs post.
A real slide of hand master.
I don't know if he's the exception. But there are plenty that are skeptical of the veracity of the space program.


I'm not sure that Bahamians are known for their space explorations.

I was never accused of being a spelling b champion. smile


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: Shakeyjake] #8196610
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Their time tables were different back then. Wasn't Moses 600 or 800 years old. In all the translations, it must've started off at 60 or 80 years old. It's like that game in elementary school where one person whispers something in the next persons ear and by the time it gets to the last guy it's completely changed....lol
I'll bet it's just a matter of time before they find some kind of old crustations in the rocks on Mars where the oceans used to be.


You nailed it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxl849j77ko

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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196813
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This complicates things.

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Makes me want to TTT the Mayan discovery stuff cause this stuff is so interesting.

Interesting Mayan Discoveries


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Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196825
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Shouldn't we be trying to help each other instead of destruct each other?

Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196886
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The earth is not 6000 years old. Fact. There are very likely other life forms in the universe.

Science, yo.

Actual science (not circular reasoning-biased "science") and faith can work together quite well.

Re: 2 concerns about the bible [Re: patrapperbuster] #8196895
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Originally Posted by patrapperbuster
Quite a variety of opinions. Obviously each individual takes the bible differently.

THE 4004 BC is printed right at the beginning of the Genesis page. Why even put that there if it means nothing?
A dated timeline is put on ALL books of the bible, both old & new testament. Some may not even notice these when reading the bible.

Most should re-read Genesis chapter 1 & chapter 2:1-3. It is implied & clear to me that GOD only created life on EARTH before He rested.

Maybe some things should have been more clearly worded in the bible so we could all understand it the same way?

For the record, I do believe in GOD - 100%. The bible (& other religious writings) not 100%

More food for thought - ever wonder about the books they did not put into bible? The bible did not fall from the sky.
The bible was not put together and canonized until about 200 AD or so by a group of top religious leaders.
The book of Enoch was removed about the same time period.

Each individual should not look to the sky for GOD, but inside one's own heart


Those time line dates seem to be the dates thought of by whoever put your bible together. Mine says date written is between 1450 and 1400BC. I assume there is at least the possibility of bias in those numbers depending on what they believe.

As for the age of the earth, there are different theories that can support old or new earth depending on how you read and how much you read into things. The gap theory is one that makes a lot of room for an old earth and an ancient civilization.

I for one dont believe in life on other planets. Its possible, and definitely not beyond the scope of God's power. I think its probably more likely that the "extraterrestrial" life that we think of being from other planets is interdimensional. Seems odd to me that all the observations of these crafts and beings is done within our atmosphere, not outside of it despite all of the telescopes and other observation capable technology we have. To be honest though, I havent researched it that much.

As for the extra books. I am secure enough in what I believe to read them (or other religious texts for that matter). I personally believe that most people who say "dont read xyz" are not secure enough in their faith to defend it in their own minds. I recently purchased the book of enoch to see what it says. If the apostles read them and studied them enough to reference them in scripture then Im not going to say that I (or you or anyone else) shouldnt read them.

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Without even getting into the New Earth theories and trying to figure out how they arrived at some of their dates. I can't grasp that as many times as "man knows best" has removed, added and shuffled scripture around why has it never bothered them that the bible has no chronologically order. The average person doesn't have the time to cherry pick the facts out and put them in the right time and place.
Some argue that in order to to get the bible in a timely order, then some books would have to be split into others. It takes years of study to get things in your mind in order to get a feel for it. Maybe its job security for the professors, I don't know ! Maybe the commoner should just follow and not ask questions, lol.

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