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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202593
08/24/24 07:52 PM
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couple of those methods could make you a Darwin award winner,.. couple hundred bucks, get someone with a backhoe in there and dig it out


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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: keets] #8202603
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Originally Posted by keets
couple of those methods could make you a Darwin award winner,.. couple hundred bucks, get someone with a backhoe in there and dig it out


He is having to make a couple hundred bucks to make up for the loss he is taking on that mower, if that cheap skate would pay him what his mower is worth, then he could hire it done, lol!

Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Lugnut] #8202652
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I dig them out with my small L35 Kubota 35hp backhoe. It's my least favorite job with that machine. I dig a circle around them You'd be surprised how far out and how deep I have to go to rip through enough roots to get even medium sized stumps to pull out.

Almost the size.of a VW Beatle. Been there , done that. Lots of digging.


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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202768
08/25/24 06:53 AM
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Saw several stepping over lines with a load on them. tough way to get neutered.


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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Cragar] #8202771
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Originally Posted by Cragar
Originally Posted by Lugnut
I dig them out with my small L35 Kubota 35hp backhoe. It's my least favorite job with that machine. I dig a circle around them You'd be surprised how far out and how deep I have to go to rip through enough roots to get even medium sized stumps to pull out.

Almost the size.of a VW Beatle. Been there , done that. Lots of digging.


Yeah, hard on the machine too. My neighbor runs a landscaping business and he has me dig out the stumps when he’s clearing areas. The really big ones we just have a stump grinder come in.

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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202805
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I still think a 8 to1 mechanical a advantage will work. I don't have a time frame to remove it also there is another on a few feet away. If my way work work I can away call Terry to come with his dozer 90 hp and break it lose.

Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Drifter] #8202808
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Saw several stepping over lines with a load on them. tough way to get neutered.


That's why you use girls or boys that want to be girls, lol.

Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202822
08/25/24 08:56 AM
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The guys that ran dozers to clear fence rows or timber would cuss anybody that cut down a big tree to leave a short stump. There was nothing higher up to push on. The taller the stump the more leverage you have. They hook the dozer blade into tree about as high up as they can, then while pushing forward, raise the the blade a bit more. The two combined will generally rip it out.

The horse guys were hooked on up high. Even now, guys using track hoes will dig a hole on one side, then push tree over from other side, but push on it up high where they have leverage.

A big stump, cut short is a problem.


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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202862
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Well I'm going to dig more of a trench around and try to get my bar underneath it and see if I can move it .

Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202875
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Excavation companies around our area don't charge much for stump removal, just had some work done on the back of our property some fairly large trees ( about 20 of them) I dropped in the spring had a company come in with the right size excavator and pull stumps roots and all and haul them away. That plus about 5 hours of dozer work was less than 5 K. They did a excellent job and saved me a bunch of headaches.

Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: Guss] #8202881
08/25/24 11:08 AM
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Ive fought many a stump over the years. I did most old school with an axe. Looking at your picture. I would suggest cutting the upper roots farther out from the stump. Then cut them close to the stump and remove them. That leaves room dig to access larger roots that are below. One huge stump I did years ago at house I was living. I decided to sacrifice a bar and couple chain on my saw. I dug out around it quit a ways. Always cutting the outside of the roots first especially when using axe. I cut most all smaller stuff with axe. When I say smaller I mean six inches or less. Then I hose off the bigger roots let water settle cut them with chain saw. This whole thing took couple days mostly waiting for water to soak away. When I was done cutting I pulled the stump out with my pick up truck. No kidding I had a hole about six feet wide six feet deep. Took pick up load of dirt to fill the hole.
Not sure what to do with the huge stump. I dragged it to end of my driveway and as a joke put a sign saying free wood. Danged if an old timer that sold firewood. Didn't come and winch that hog on a trailer haul it to his wood yard. That was 40 years ago and I was pretty tough then.
Anyways getting that huge elm stump out cost me a clutch, bar and two or three chains for the old homelite . The double bit axe I used I still have that required only filing. The blisters from chopping healed.

Looking at your stump it's obviously to late to leave more above ground. Having dug most all my stumps by hand. When I cut something I know I'm going to grub out as we say. Even small trees I leave at least 3-4 or more feet above ground. Gives you some leverage once you tie off to pull.
I hate to admit it mostly because I can't really dig stumps anymore. But it was for me at time therapy. Clear my mind, me verses the stump. Just decide It's coming out one way or another.

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Re: Mechanical advantages for stumps. [Re: HayDay] #8202896
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Originally Posted by HayDay
The guys that ran dozers to clear fence rows or timber would cuss anybody that cut down a big tree to leave a short stump. There was nothing higher up to push on. The taller the stump the more leverage you have. They hook the dozer blade into tree about as high up as they can, then while pushing forward, raise the the blade a bit more. The two combined will generally rip it out.

The horse guys were hooked on up high. Even now, guys using track hoes will dig a hole on one side, then push tree over from other side, but push on it up high where they have leverage.

A big stump, cut short is a problem.



Years ago when we were loosing all the elms to Dutch elm disease my uncle had several huge old elms lining his driveway those things were 4/5 feet through and since they were so close to the house he had a professional come and take them down, he cut them all down in one day leaving just a couple inches above ground, my uncle was POed as he had specifically asked him to leave the stumps as high as possible to make it easier to pull, as it was it took several years to dig out and pull them out digging around them one at a time a little at a time whenever someone had some spare time (not easy on a farm) till enough had been dug and roots cut till they would come out easily or relatively anyways

Did the same thing when we were cleared for the cabin and had to cut a couple dozen trees for space for it, cut them as high as we felt safe to then hooked a heavy strap to them and pulled, they all came out fairly easily but then none of them were over about 18 inches or so in size and mostly popular and some maples



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