So helping the wife house sit for a friend and I got a podcast playing. Its an interview on predator calling with Bryon South , apparently he head a video back in the day of him calling all sorts of critters from coyotes to gators and storm stuff in Africa.... Anyhow they asking him about his favorite bullet and he said a 60gr vamx. Now he said a lot of times he's shooting coyotes with them are getting shot quartering to you and said he's " shooting them at the point of the shoulder like you would on a cape buffle to just " break him down"
You can listen to it here at the 8:40-10:00 min


Anyhow since I'm kinda dumb and never shot a cape buff....is he talking about like A high should shot type deal or ? Somone one have a picture ?

On a side note .....and what I fell like this whole post will end up talking about lol,while on Google trying to find an answer to my first question I found this..... Never thought about the need of a "recovery shot"

Recovery shot = you boogered up the first shot.

Take the shot that breaks it's running gears.

I love a point of the shoulder shot on elk, I've never shot a buffalo, but on elk that point of the shoulder shot quartering on tends to drop them just like you put it between their eyes. You need a good bullet that will hold together and penetrate though, a ballistic tip is liable to blow up on the shoulder and not penetrate to vitals. Bottom line, I always tell hunters when I am guiding them, don't pick a spot on the hide to aim for, aim for the vitals. The vitals are in the middle of the animal, not on the hide, if you are shooting any sort of bullet that will penetrate through bone you need to aim for the vitals, doesn't matter what way the critter is facing, shoot Through the outer parts to the vitals. Incidentally that picture is a good shot any time, not just a recovery shot. I've shot quite a few deer and elk with that shot, right over the base of the tail when facing straight away is a perfect spine shot and drops them right there.

… it’ll drop deer … I don’t wait on the perfect shot…. Take the first one I’m given

I don't care much for a shoulder shot on deer due to the amount of meat lost. There is so much meat on an elk that I would not hesitate if that is what was offered, but still prefer straight thru the ribs into the heart/lung in most cases. The exception would be when it needs to be dropped where it stands.

The ole break’em down shot! To be honest I’ve never had to put another shot into a deer after that shot. It drops them and kills them on the spot. I didn’t realize it was something everyone didn’t know or use when rifle hunting.
With archery it’s tucked either right in the crease or right below the shoulder bone into the heart. I like to watch them fall vs hunting for blood.

Not really talking about deer here

Shoulder shots on dangerous game it levels the field some, on an elk to reduce the tracking as much as possible on a deer gun it won’t matter with a bow avoid it on fur avoid it I see a lot of over loaded soft point type ammo that explodes on impact creating waste or more work then a shot further back would of done. IMO

Seems like on fur you want a light blow up inside without a huge exit. That type of bullet won't get through bone but if you pick a bullet for bone you're going to get an exit.

I don't shoot fur so that just speculation on my part.

The impact holes are big not the exit holes when hitting bone close to the skin.

...so me being dumbs here again..... Is the blue dot I put on Thai pic about what the guys talking about or .

I always advise my brown bear hunters to take a broadside, double-lung shot as opposed to a shoulder shot. I want to know that the bear is hit through both lungs; that will do the trick. We have had to shoot only a couple of bear in a frontal quartering-to shoulder shot. That one works great too, but just a little more technical.

A lotta bone why not the other side of the same shoulder. It’s not a deer it’s a different goal there!

I'm just trying to figure out how we got to talking about deer when the post is about shooting coyotes lol

Wolfdog that shot will pile a coyote up. Shoot there and you have a dead yote. Eric

On shoulder shots are to anchor tough animals on the spot or at least minimize the travel to very short distance. On predators the size of coyotes and down I try to stay away from the shoulder if possible to reduce fur damage. We have good enough varmint cartridges and bullets to anchor coyotes and smaller animals pretty solid without having to break down their skeletal frame. I'm aiming dead center of chest cavity which ever angle they give me to give myself the biggest target possible.

I'd think point of shoulder would technically be a bit more forward and a fudge lower. Be a bit ahead of leg even in a quartering to angle

A recovery shot in Africa is just a fancy name for keep shooting until it's dead. In your diagram of the Buffalo it's just showing where the target areas are for the "recovery" shots as it's hopefully running away from u instead of towards. Recovery shot when it's running away and lifesaver when it's running at u

When I hunted brown bear in Alaska, the guides wanted only broadside, in the shoulder shots. The idea was to break both front shoulders while the bear was on the open stretch of beach. Depending on the tides, that could be anything from 30 feet to a hundred yards. You didn’t want to trail a bear into the thick woods in SE Alaska.

I have skinned 1000+ shot coyotes and I always hated shoulder shot coyotes. If all you want to do is kill them it it a great place to hit them. But if you are skinning you will sew a lot more than withy rib shots. Very seldom did I shoot a coyote in the shoulder.