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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204976
08/28/24 10:33 AM
08/28/24 10:33 AM
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If they are an issue, they should have stayed in jail. People change, no need to pay for a mistake your whole life if it was minor. It if was that big a deal, they should still be in prison. The “dirt bags” are still people. Unless they rape or touch kids, then they should be shot on site. But that is my personal opinion.


They still have rights in this country, for now.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204977
08/28/24 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Stop and frisk=obvious violation of the 4th amendment. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated". Thinking someone looks like a thug, knowing they've committed crimes in the past, or having a sneaking suspicion that someone is up to no good without being able to say why, isn't a good reason to search someone and violate their freedom. Rights and the violation of rights matter, even when it happens to people we find repugnant. Freedom is messy, but let's not sacrifice freedom for safety, because as we all know, those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither.


Agreed


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Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204978
08/28/24 10:35 AM
08/28/24 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Lugnut
I think, loosegoose, that you should vote for Harris. That way your vote will count for something and you won’t have to worry about supporting a candidate that is somewhat soft on the second amendment.

Harris, like most other far left Democrats is rabidly anti-2A. You won’t have to concern yourself with her stance on the second amendment. She has repeatedly made herself very clear on that issue.

This is the thing right here that bothers me. There seems to be this attitude that, because candidate X is better than candidate Y, then candidate X is awesome.

There's nothing wrong with saying that while Trump is lightyears ahead of Harris on the 2a, he's still not very good on it. He holds some frighteningly anti-2a (and 4a) positions, but is better than Harris.


Bravo.

Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: Sharon] #8204979
08/28/24 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon
Originally Posted by BandB
My understanding of what he said Thursday, with the limited amount of info provided, is that he meant cops tend to know who is a felon and who isn't in their community. Maybe because they have to arrest them so many times. Felons aren't allowed to have guns.


That was exactly the CONTEXT in those conversations. The stop and frisk law was an older one that worked in the city and was effective in keeping law breaking thugs , gangs, from running rampant. All with illegal firearms . That older law worked in the city against those whom the police were familiar with , or knowing the crime pattern of their beat, which kept the streets safer.

None of this is new news at all. I'm surprised anyone squeals like it suddenly is.

I too heard this and other similar statements, and the context needs to be kept in mind. Dealing with thugs on the beat is FAR different than upholding the second A for law abiding citizens. Trump was speaking on a completely different subject .

Clear thinking dictates the ability to separate subjects within an overall title, the possession of firearms, legal or illegal . Not to have the attention span of a child and lump them all together.


Stop and frisk was never a law...still isnt. It was simply one of the ten exceptions to the search warrant rule...and still is. That needs to be clarified here....

Last edited by midlander; 08/28/24 10:38 AM.
Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: BandB] #8204980
08/28/24 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BandB
My understanding of what he said Thursday, with the limited amount of info provided, is that he meant cops tend to know who is a felon and who isn't in their community. Maybe because they have to arrest them so many times. Felons aren't allowed to have guns.


^^^This^^^
I'm against felons having full constitutional rights.

Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204986
08/28/24 10:46 AM
08/28/24 10:46 AM
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Midlander, the context was an older part of the "warrant rule". For lack of a better term. I thought of "mandate" but that felt inaccurate for me.

It was meant for police who knew their beat and dealt with those , who used illegal firearms to run rampant in crime . From the gathered info on this "rule" in progression over time, it worked against criminals known to LEO on the streets. " Search Warrant Rule", actually describes even better the context that was discussed.

Again, the difference discerned between police safety , known criminals, and illegal possession of firearms. Not law-abiding citizens or the 2nd A.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204987
08/28/24 10:47 AM
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Unfortunately, for us rural people, I believe we wave our 4th amendment rights when we buy a hunting license. Need to sell those in the hood.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204992
08/28/24 10:58 AM
08/28/24 10:58 AM
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Yall might not have asked for my opinion but good news you're gonna get it. If soft on crime judges and prosecutors were sent packing then cops would not have to arrest the same person over and over. They wouldn't have to fear citizens carrying because the scum was locked up and wasn't going anywhere. Here is my take- until you enforce the laws already on the books and confine the criminals don't you dare try to sell me on any new legislation BS. I'm not buyin...

Also- Loosegoose suffers from a condition that we have all seen before around here so looking for him to be logical on anything Trump related is probably a big ask LOL. Be nice- he might have been dropped on his head when he was born.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8204995
08/28/24 11:02 AM
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Its needed in the cities, got a CC permit you're good. How are your 2a rights violated if you're carrying legal?

I would be behind them busting some coconuts at the riots on our college campuses right now too.

Last edited by hippie; 08/28/24 11:04 AM.

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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205002
08/28/24 11:08 AM
08/28/24 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Loosegoose,
Who is your guy?


at this point, Vermin Supreme. Might as well.

Lol

It must be a terrible feeling to be in such an emotional predicament.

But, at least BlaineCounty is right there with you....

Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 08/28/24 11:15 AM.

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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: Dirt] #8205006
08/28/24 11:12 AM
08/28/24 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Unfortunately, for us rural people, I believe we wave our 4th amendment rights when we buy a hunting license. Need to sell those in the hood.

In Georgia....you don't wave your 4th rights when you buy a hunting license.

Alaska LE must be operating under a different list of "rules."

Here, officers still need (and must articulate) PC, consent, or exigent circumstances.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205007
08/28/24 11:12 AM
08/28/24 11:12 AM
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The Toyota was the better option but I kicked the fenders in because when I’m trying to sell it I don’t want somebody thinking it’s the perfect car.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205008
08/28/24 11:13 AM
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Here we go again! Same old trolls, same old BS


They’re all the same!!!!! You’re either an idiot or you’re lying.


Just a few days ago there was a thread about our former president was endorsed by BOTH GOA AND NRA.
What more do you want?


If this coming election goes to the Democrats who have screamed openly and repeatedly “H__l yes we’re going to take their guns!” a LEO doing a stop and frisk on a known gang banger in Philly or NYC will be the least of your worries.


If the police disarm a potential wack job pending a full psychiatric evaluation based on warnings from family members and friends and neighbors, that is not a violation of the nut jobs forth amendment rights, that is PROBABLE CAUSE.


So when you are told you can’t drive your personal vehicle because it has an internal combustion engine or gas goes to $6 per gallon, you can pat yourself on the back and say see they’re all the same!


Or Heaven forbid one of your kids or grandkids get hurt or worse by some weirdo who identifies as a woman or some monster that came into this country through open borders, you can say oh well that would have happened if the Republicans were in charge.

The contrast between the two parties has never been more stark, and this maybe the last chance we have to restore some semblance of sanity to this great nation.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: cmcf] #8205011
08/28/24 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cmcf
Here we go again! Same old trolls, same old BS


They’re all the same!!!!! You’re either an idiot or you’re lying.


Just a few days ago there was a thread about our former president was endorsed by BOTH GOA AND NRA.
What more do you want?


If this coming election goes to the Democrats who have screamed openly and repeatedly “H__l yes we’re going to take their guns!” a LEO doing a stop and frisk on a known gang banger in Philly or NYC will be the least of your worries.


If the police disarm a potential wack job pending a full psychiatric evaluation based on warnings from family members and friends and neighbors, that is not a violation of the nut jobs forth amendment rights, that is PROBABLE CAUSE.


So when you are told you can’t drive your personal vehicle because it has an internal combustion engine or gas goes to $6 per gallon, you can pat yourself on the back and say see they’re all the same!


Or Heaven forbid one of your kids or grandkids get hurt or worse by some weirdo who identifies as a woman or some monster that came into this country through open borders, you can say oh well that would have happened if the Republicans were in charge.

The contrast between the two parties has never been more stark, and this maybe the last chance we have to restore some semblance of sanity to this great nation.



Boom!

Mic drop......


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8205015
08/28/24 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by cmcf
Here we go again! Same old trolls, same old BS


They’re all the same!!!!! You’re either an idiot or you’re lying.


Just a few days ago there was a thread about our former president was endorsed by BOTH GOA AND NRA.
What more do you want?


If this coming election goes to the Democrats who have screamed openly and repeatedly “H__l yes we’re going to take their guns!” a LEO doing a stop and frisk on a known gang banger in Philly or NYC will be the least of your worries.


If the police disarm a potential wack job pending a full psychiatric evaluation based on warnings from family members and friends and neighbors, that is not a violation of the nut jobs forth amendment rights, that is PROBABLE CAUSE.


So when you are told you can’t drive your personal vehicle because it has an internal combustion engine or gas goes to $6 per gallon, you can pat yourself on the back and say see they’re all the same!


Or Heaven forbid one of your kids or grandkids get hurt or worse by some weirdo who identifies as a woman or some monster that came into this country through open borders, you can say oh well that would have happened if the Republicans were in charge.

The contrast between the two parties has never been more stark, and this maybe the last chance we have to restore some semblance of sanity to this great nation.



Boom!

Mic drop......



Yep!

The only questionable part of this is the search. Are sobriety checks legal?


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205018
08/28/24 11:24 AM
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Voting for a candidate other than trump or harris is a waste of time and effort. If you are going to do that, stay home.

People really make this a lot harder than it has to be. Make a list of things important to you:
Trump Harris
First Amend
2nd Amend
4th Amend
Taxes
Abortion
Foreign affairs
Immigration
Security

Etc. Put an X under the name of the candidate that MOST CLOSELY aligns with your views and add them up when done and put an X by that name when you go to vote. Really pretty easy

Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: Lugnut] #8205020
08/28/24 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I think, loosegoose, that you should vote for Harris. That way your vote will count for something and you won’t have to worry about supporting a candidate that is somewhat soft on the second amendment.

Harris, like most other far left Democrats is rabidly anti-2A. You won’t have to concern yourself with her stance on the second amendment. She has repeatedly made herself very clear on that issue.

I agree. At least Walz doesn't flip flop like Harris. He has made it clear that he sees no reason for anyone to own an AR assault rifle. She is no different than Walz, they think alike. That's probably why she chose him.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205023
08/28/24 11:36 AM
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Hippie,
Yes...sobriety checks are legal as driving on public roads is considered a privilege by wording of most states laws. And the safety of all drivers is considered a priority. All drivers are checked (not a singled out group) so it is considered legit.

You do not have to undergo any field sobriety exercises, but if there is reasonable suspicion (smell of alcoholic beverages, driver's demeanor/actions/responses) that you may be under the influence of alcohol or drugs, then a driver may be required to give a breath sample on an Intox. Based on how your states laws are worded, a driver's failure to submit a breath sample may lead to license suspension.

If the officer determines probable cause (such as involved in a crash or serious traffic violation to go along with odor, demeanor, etc) that a driver may be under the influence, then the driver could be subject to a search warrant to obtain a blood sample if the driver refuses to give a breath sample.

Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 08/28/24 11:41 AM.

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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205026
08/28/24 11:41 AM
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Walz stone face lied about carrying weapons of war in "combat"...If he will lie about that, he will lie about anything.

Later said he misspoke...Another lie.

Red/Blue, they all suck...Pick your poison.


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Re: "take their guns away"-2a related [Re: loosegoose] #8205031
08/28/24 11:45 AM
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I have a friend who I have hunted elk with for years. He is a firm democrat. He owns so many guns that he stores some of them at relatives homes incase his home ever gets burglarized. He says he will never vote for a democrat this next time due to the mess Biden has made of the country unless-------Trump gets the republican nomination. This was prior to Trump's nomination.

I said, wasn't the economy in better shape, gas prices much lower, your gun ownership was safe, stronger foreign affairs, immigrants were less and properly vetted, etc? He's a Catholic and teaches CD classes, so abortion is a big issue for him as well.

He agreed. I asked why wouldn't you vote for Trump then? He said, cause I just don't like the guy. crazy


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