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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: NonPCfed] #8208034
09/02/24 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
I'm totally clueless about pawpaws other than I know they exist. Are they sort of temperate region mango...?

Why are the seeds so valuable??

Sorry, I'd never pay north of $5 a pound for any fruit. I don't care how delicious it is.



The seeds are valuable.becUse people want to establish there own stands of pawpaws.

5.00 a.pound is in the low end where I'm at.
This is a seed pic
.these came out of 1 pawpaw

[Linked Image]


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: lumberjack391] #8208036
09/02/24 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Is the fruit only on it for a short time, and how big do the trees get?


The fruit goes fast once it ripens. If you have fruit.2 weeks your doing good..

Once they ripen you can't really hold.em.cause if you put them in the fridge they turn black like bananas.

There almost like a Tropical.fruit

Most of the trees are big around as your arm but where we get these some.trees are bigger than your thigh

Various wildlife eats them alot.

They grow where there are alot of black walnut trees.

Almost.like a companion species

Our riverbanks here in places are covered up with them.


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208039
09/02/24 01:07 PM
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They grow where there are alot of black walnut trees.

Almost.like a companion species


That's interesting because I've heard and/or read somewhere that black walnut releases something into the soil and it limits a number of other species from growing directly around them.

Here's a fun walnut factoid that many people probably don't know. We mostly eat English walnuts that are grown in the Central Valley of California. However, there is a native fungus or whatever that will kill English walnut roots so all the English walnuts we eat have been spliced onto black walnut root stock. You drive around the Central Valley and you can see the bark color difference and sometime the spliced trunk is narrower than the black walnut base. They also have black walnut nurseries so they can provided the root stock for new English walnuts people want to plant. I'll try to grab some photos of this splicing from work tomorrow...


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208059
09/02/24 02:02 PM
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cathryn,
Are you planning to sell seeds this fall?

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: Philip Stancel] #8208063
09/02/24 02:32 PM
09/02/24 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Philip Stancel
cathryn,
Are you planning to sell seeds this fall?

Yes
I sold some.last year too


If you get some they need to be put in the ground now
.in the fall because they have to feeeze(striate) before they'll germinate...like ginseng seeds.

Or you can put em.in the freezer and plant em.in the spring but I feel they do better planted in the fall


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: NonPCfed] #8208064
09/02/24 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Quote
They grow where there are alot of black walnut trees.

Almost.like a companion species


That's interesting because I've heard and/or read somewhere that black walnut releases something into the soil and it limits a number of other species from growing directly around them.

Here's a fun walnut factoid that many people probably don't know. We mostly eat English walnuts that are grown in the Central Valley of California. However, there is a native fungus or whatever that will kill English walnut roots so all the English walnuts we eat have been spliced onto black walnut root stock. You drive around the Central Valley and you can see the bark color difference and sometime the spliced trunk is narrower than the black walnut base. They also have black walnut nurseries so they can provided the root stock for new English walnuts people want to plant. I'll try to grab some photos of this splicing from work tomorrow...

I'd be unterested in seeing the photos. It's interesting.

I started noticing last fall that the pawpaw trees were literally surrounding black walnut trees and looked it up and the internet said that the grow hand in hand.


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208097
09/02/24 04:40 PM
09/02/24 04:40 PM
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List of trees tolerate of black walnut toxicity
Boxelder (Acer negundo)
Japanese maple (Acer palmatum and cultivars)
Red maple (Acer rubrum)
Sugar maple (Acer saccharum)
Ohio buckeye (Aesculus glabra)
Yellow buckeye (Aesculus octandra)
Serviceberry (Amelanchier spp.)
Pawpaw (Asimina triloba)
Sweet birch (Betula lenta)
Yellow birch (Betula lutea)
River birch (Betula nigra)
American hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana)
Hickory (Carya spp.)
American chestnut (Castanea dentata)
Southern catalpa (Catalpa bignonioides)
Redbud (Cercis canadensis)
Fringe tree (Chionanthus spp.)
Flowering dogwood (Cornus florida)
Hawthorn (Crataegus spp.)
Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
American beech (Fagus grandifolia)
Honey-locust (Gleditsia triacanthos)
Silverbell (Halesia carolina)
Witch-hazel (Hamamelis spp.)
Sweet-gum (Liquidambar styraciflua)
Tulip tree (Liriodendron tulipifera)
Cucumbertree magnolia (Magnolia acuminata)
Tupelo (Nyssa sylvatica)
Sycamore (Platanus occidentalis)
Wild plum (Prunus americana)
Pin cherry (Prunus pensylvanica)
Black cherry (Prunus serotina)
White oak (Quercus alba)
Scarlet oak (Quercus coccinea)
Shingle oak (Quercus imbricaria)
Northern red oak (Quercus rubra)
Black oak (Quercus velutina)
Staghorn sumac (Rhus typhina)
Black locust (Robinia pseudoacacia)
Willow (Salix spp.)
Sassafras (Sassafras albidum)
American elm (Ulmus americana)
Slippery elm (Ulmus rubra)

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208104
09/02/24 04:55 PM
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So, black walnut doesn't really keep many other woody species away from it wink grin


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Genesis 1:26
Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208119
09/02/24 05:46 PM
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Lol. Yeah, that's a pretty long list

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208163
09/02/24 06:57 PM
09/02/24 06:57 PM
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Plants Considered Sensitive to Black Walnut Toxicity
Note that black walnut toxicity due to juglone has not been studied in depth. Much of what is known is based on one study done many decades ago. This means that any list regarding this topic is incomplete and some of the information may be anecdotal.

Annuals and vegetables:

asparagus
cabbage
eggplant
flowering tobacco
pepper
petunia
potato
tomato
Herbaceous perennials:

autumn crocus
baptisia
columbine
lily (Asian hybrids)
peony
rhubarb
Shrubs:

blueberry
red chokeberry
cotoneaster
Amur honeysuckle
hydrangea
lilac
privet
potentilla
rhododendron
yew
some viburnum shrub species
Trees:

European alder,
white birch
crabapple species
hackberry
larch
linden
saucer magnolia
mugo pine
red pine
white pine
Norway spruce
silver maple
some viburnum tree species

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8208198
09/02/24 08:17 PM
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Hackberry is not accurate. I have a hackberry and black walnut tree at the most 20 feet from each other. Both are healthy.


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8209096
09/04/24 07:49 AM
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I promised Cathryn some pictures of English walnuts growing from black walnut root stock because of a fungus or something in the soils of the California Central Valley that kills English walnut root stalk. These are from a work field trip in 2005. The second photo shows the splicing the best. The first photo is of a black walnut "nursery" where the trees are grown to be used for root stock of he English walnuts, notice the lack of uniformity of the young trees.

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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8209144
09/04/24 09:56 AM
09/04/24 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Plants Considered Sensitive to Black Walnut Toxicity
Note that black walnut toxicity due to juglone has not been studied in depth. Much of what is known is based on one study done many decades ago. This means that any list regarding this topic is incomplete and some of the information may be anecdotal.

Annuals and vegetables:

asparagus
cabbage
eggplant
flowering tobacco
pepper
petunia
potato
tomato
Herbaceous perennials:

autumn crocus
baptisia
columbine
lily (Asian hybrids)
peony
rhubarb
Shrubs:

blueberry
red chokeberry
cotoneaster
Amur honeysuckle
hydrangea
lilac
privet
potentilla
rhododendron
yew
some viburnum shrub species
Trees:

European alder,
white birch
crabapple species
hackberry
larch
linden
saucer magnolia
mugo pine
red pine
white pine
Norway spruce
silver maple
some viburnum tree species
Garlic doesnt do well near a black walnut tree.I do have a silver maple growing within 40' of a black walnut and it is fine.


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: NonPCfed] #8209898
09/05/24 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
I promised Cathryn some pictures of English walnuts growing from black walnut root stock because of a fungus or something in the soils of the California Central Valley that kills English walnut root stalk. These are from a work field trip in 2005. The second photo shows the splicing the best. The first photo is of a black walnut "nursery" where the trees are grown to be used for root stock of he English walnuts, notice the lack of uniformity of the young trees.

[Linked Image]
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Wow..the.pics are neat.
I ha e a neighbor that grafysany different varieties of apples
Im.not sure the root tree
Im.gonna text hom.amd ask cause he used the same root apple for all the grafts


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: RockCrick] #8209919
09/05/24 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RockCrick
I’ve heard the seeds have a hallucinogenic affect if ingested but you also will likely die after consumption. Not sure if that is factual though.


Pawpaw seeds have a laxative effect. They are like natural Ex-Lax. I knew a guy who chopped pawpaw seeds up and mixed them with nuts, on a cake to get back at a co-worker who stole food from the refrigerator at work. The thief crapped his pants.

Keith

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8210498
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Cathryn please PM me. I tried to message you and you’re over your limit. Thanks.

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8210541
09/06/24 11:25 AM
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I fixed meassages


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8210595
09/06/24 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cathryn
I fixed meassages


She's giving out meassages ? laugh


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Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8210864
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I sent you a message for seeds.

Re: WV Gold..pawpaws..a days work [Re: cathryn] #8214479
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Pawpaws grow along the creek down the road from us.


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