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Math Lesson for today #8216164
09/15/24 11:56 AM
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Explain to me how this is self sustainable!!!!!????? Also there needs to be a correction in this article. Government earnings. The Government does not earn money. The government collects tax’s on people’s earnings.!!!!!!

Financial statement from the US Treasury. Posted by Seeking Alpha!![Linked Image]

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216171
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It's not sustainable. The fact is no fiat currency has ever survived. They all fail. It's just a matter of when.

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216181
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Correct. Not sustainable. Start cutting!

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216185
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The government borrowed a lot of money when it was free. Now it is not free.


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: Blaine County] #8216192
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Correct. Not sustainable. Start cutting!



hopefully you wantt spending cut. cutting the rates will bring inflation back up. Cutting unless spending pass a budget instead of the short term stop gaps. If they don't they need removed

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216198
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My point exactly. Not sustainable at all. IMHO. We are at a turning point in our country financially!!!!!

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216205
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But it's the Fed's fault for raising rates. crazy


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Bother me tomorrow. Today I'll buy no sorrows.
Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216230
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Might it not have made more sense if the US treasury had sold more and longer term debt when interest rates were 0--.25% ?

I recall a few years back that Japan started selling 100 year fixed rate bonds that pay almost nothing.


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216232
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Nah, we'll just print more money to pay our debt...right? Lol


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216239
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Chapter 9 and chapter 11 and they will be solvent in no time. If any creditors get left hanging that is just their tough luck.

Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: white17] #8216241
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Originally Posted by white17
Might it not have made more sense if the US treasury had sold more and longer term debt when interest rates were 0--.25% ?

I recall a few years back that Japan started selling 100 year fixed rate bonds that pay almost nothing.


"Long bonds have drawn global attention as countries try to use super-low rates to lock in debt. Some European countries have sold 100-year bonds, a move Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the United States could also consider.
Japan, too, has fans of long bonds among politicians eager to boost spending.
BOJ Governor Kuroda caused a stir by saying this month that if the government were to issue 50-year bonds, it would help prevent excessive declines in super-long yields.
Finance Minister Taro Aso said days later that Japan may consider issuing such bonds.
Liquidity for 40-year government bonds - the longest maturity sold in Japan - remains low, making up just 2.4% of the outstanding balance of Japan's government bond market."

This was 2019 Reuters.

And then there is this.


"BOJ owns more than 100% of four 10-year bond issues, books show"

The BOJ would probably just print money to buy them anyway. smile

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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216243
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Thanks Dirt !! I had Japan confused with some Euro-trash country ))) They all look alike ya know laugh


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216245
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Dou itashimashite! ( You Are Welcome! ) Or as we used to say it " Don't touch the Mustache!" smile


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216246
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LOL !!!


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: white17] #8216249
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Originally Posted by white17
Might it not have made more sense if the US treasury had sold more and longer term debt when interest rates were 0--.25% ?

I recall a few years back that Japan started selling 100 year fixed rate bonds that pay almost nothing.


Offering for sale is one thing finding a willing buyer is another, who in their right mind buys a ten year more bond and receive low rates?

If the government required funds to mark their long-term bonds to market, a lot of funds would be in trouble ala SVB

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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216252
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
My point exactly. Not sustainable at all. IMHO. We are at a turning point in our country financially!!!!!






Whose going to balance the budget Wayne. The last time it was close we had a Democrat president Republican speaker of the house and line item veto.


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216253
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Exactly right Steven. And that brings up the current battle between the Fed and US Treasury. Each trying to do the opposite thing. Probably not a hot topic of conversation outside of bond geeks at the water cooler


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216256
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White would know. Those low interest bonds don't sell at face value, do they?

Steve: There was no line item veto.


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: Dirt] #8216260
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Originally Posted by Dirt
White would know. Those low interest bonds don't sell at face value, do they?

Steve: There was no line item veto.



Those low yield bonds would have sold close to face value and in some cases MORE than face. Recall when Japan (I hope I remember correctly this time) had negative interest rates as did some of Europe,


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Re: Math Lesson for today [Re: stinkypete] #8216314
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From whom does the government keep borrowing money from, and why?!

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