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Winchester 21 sharp #8219918 09/20/24 05:56 PM 09/20/24 05:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi Wolfdog91 OP trapper
Wolfdog91 OP trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi	Just saw this. Kinda sorta neat ....I guess ? Idk it's hard for me to get too interested in rimfires. It looks kinda like a real niche thing , guess for folks that need something a little bigger then a .17 but faster then a .22 ? And apparently it uses better bullets ... Maybe would be good for people.in non tox states or where they have the rimfire deal for predator hunting ? That or just something for the NRL rimfire comp guys ? There's also the ELR rimfire people... But as far as the average guy.... Meh YouTube expert

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8219925 09/20/24 06:10 PM 09/20/24 06:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	22lr is heel based. Looks like they just dropped diameter to eliminate the heel.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8219935 09/20/24 06:23 PM 09/20/24 06:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor trapper
Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	It's hard to get excited about this one.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8219941 09/20/24 06:45 PM 09/20/24 06:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor It's hard to get excited about this one. Agreed Now if only someone would take on the 5mm magnum and get that one sorted out and brought back. The 17hmr wasn't the answer. It only beats 22wmr in velocity/trajectory. The 5mm hits harder and is faster than the 22wmr.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8219966 09/20/24 07:24 PM 09/20/24 07:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	better buy enough ammon for life. it will not be around long I don't believe. like the 17 Mach 5 is hard to find ammo for. and bragging about 1.5" 50 yard groups and saying it's more accurate then .22 lr. guess they have never shot anything but bulk pack ammo.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220021 09/20/24 09:18 PM 09/20/24 09:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 NW Missouri bob56 trapper
bob56 trapper Joined: Dec 2006 NW Missouri	Wish they would put more effort into producing 17WSM ammo, than creating a 21 Sharps. “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: bob56] #8220025 09/20/24 09:31 PM 09/20/24 09:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi Wolfdog91 OP trapper
Wolfdog91 OP trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi	Originally Posted by bob56 Wish they would put more effort into producing 17WSM ammo, than creating a 21 Sharps. Sgammo has some https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rimfire-ammo-sale/17-wsm-ammo YouTube expert

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220032 09/20/24 09:44 PM 09/20/24 09:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 NW Missouri bob56 trapper
bob56 trapper Joined: Dec 2006 NW Missouri	Unfortunately, it's the 25gr I'm after. “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” - Thomas Jefferson

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220048 09/20/24 10:10 PM 09/20/24 10:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2015 Wyoming C cmcf trapper
cmcf trapper C Joined: Oct 2015 Wyoming	Does anyone remember the 225 Winchester supposedly it was a centerfire that was gonna outshine the 22– 2:50 This was after the tried to get away from the 220 swift “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: cmcf] #8220053 09/20/24 10:14 PM 09/20/24 10:14 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi Wolfdog91 OP trapper
Wolfdog91 OP trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi	Originally Posted by cmcf Does anyone remember the 225 Winchester supposedly it was a centerfire that was gonna outshine the 22– 2:50 This was after the tried to get away from the 220 swift Nope but it's interesting. Funny enough the part case is .219 zipper who's part case is .30-30 YouTube expert

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: bob56] #8220054 09/20/24 10:14 PM 09/20/24 10:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2012 midland, michigan M midlander trapper
midlander trapper M Joined: Nov 2012 midland, michigan	Originally Posted by bob56 Wish they would put more effort into producing 17WSM ammo, than creating a 21 Sharps. I was in a quandry 5 years ago when I was looking at 17s. I had done a lot research and reading on both cartridges. The fella at cabelas was really pushing that WSM. At that time, there wasnt a dollars difference between a box of HMR and WSM ammo. I just wasnt confident at the time if WSM was gonna make it long term. Im glad I went with HMR. Ammo for the WSM has diminished and gone up in price if you can find it. Better load up heavy if you get the chance....

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220067 09/20/24 10:28 PM 09/20/24 10:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	225 was a rimmed case for the 94 lever action. Not exactly your typical bull barreled bolt varmint gun and impossible to scope at the time. Dead out of the gate as a 22-250 competitor.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: warrior] #8220072 09/20/24 10:32 PM 09/20/24 10:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi Wolfdog91 OP trapper
Wolfdog91 OP trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi	Originally Posted by warrior 225 was a rimmed case for the 94 lever action. Not exactly your typical bull barreled bolt varmint gun and impossible to scope at the time. Dead out of the gate as a 22-250 competitor. Alot of stuff died because it seems companies just don't understand how to put the bits and bobs together. I can hear it right now We want this to be the new .22 -250! Awsome That's what where gonna put it in a leaver act I....wait what ? That odd but. That can't be scoped ! ....but why ? THEYLL LOVE IT ! YouTube expert

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220095 09/20/24 11:14 PM 09/20/24 11:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	Originally Posted by Wolfdog91 Originally Posted by warrior 225 was a rimmed case for the 94 lever action. Not exactly your typical bull barreled bolt varmint gun and impossible to scope at the time. Dead out of the gate as a 22-250 competitor. Alot of stuff died because it seems companies just don't understand how to put the bits and bobs together. I can hear it right now We want this to be the new .22 -250! Awsome That's what where gonna put it in a leaver act I....wait what ? That odd but. That can't be scoped ! ....but why ? THEYLL LOVE IT ! Remington is an expert at killing cartridges in the cradle. Funny thing though is many are actually good cartridges.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220175 09/21/24 04:38 AM 09/21/24 04:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor trapper
Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Savage basically single handedly killed the 17 wsm with the inaccurate BMAG. Some of the first ones out of the gate sucked and word got out fast.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220194 09/21/24 06:58 AM 09/21/24 06:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2013 mt M MT bowhunter trapper
MT bowhunter trapper M Joined: Mar 2013 mt	Killed a lot of coyotes with a model 70 225 back in the day. It is a good shooter. and zips out there just fine. I can't believe that cop put me in the back seat when I clearly called shotgun.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220205 09/21/24 07:37 AM 09/21/24 07:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2012 meadowview, Virginia E EdP trapper
EdP trapper E Joined: Mar 2012 meadowview, Virginia	Quote Remington is an expert at killing cartridges in the cradle. Funny thing though is many are actually good cartridges. Yes, Rem did great cartridge development work but were absolute masters of terrible marketing decisions. The .21 Sharp looks like a solution in search of a problem.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220260 09/21/24 09:01 AM 09/21/24 09:01 AM
Joined: Sep 2023 MO C Crappiekiller trapper
Crappiekiller trapper C Joined: Sep 2023 MO	I don’t think the 225 win was ever meant for the lever gun like the zipper was. If memory serves me correctly the pressure it generates takes it out of the model 94 option. I have never seen a 94 chambered in 225. I have shot several M70’s in 225 and they were all good shooters and almost identical in performance to the 22-250. The biggest blow to the 225 was it was introduced in 1964 in the new M70 that everyone hated. CK

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220269 09/21/24 09:16 AM 09/21/24 09:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	rem sure dropped the ball with the 6mm rem and 260 rem. had they been able to market then 243 and 6.5 Creedmoor would not be popular or would have ther been a need for.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220297 09/21/24 10:27 AM 09/21/24 10:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2023 Minnesota 30-06 Trapper trapper
30-06 Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2023 Minnesota	we don't need mora calibers what we need is them to produce more of the older rare ones who so desperatly need The rifle has no will of its own it may be used for evil but there are more good men than evil men and evil will be corrected by good men with rifles.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Crappiekiller] #8220308 09/21/24 10:53 AM 09/21/24 10:53 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 ND M MJM trapper
MJM trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 ND	Originally Posted by Crappiekiller I don’t think the 225 win was ever meant for the lever gun like the zipper was. If memory serves me correctly the pressure it generates takes it out of the model 94 option. I have never seen a 94 chambered in 225. I have shot several M70’s in 225 and they were all good shooters and almost identical in performance to the 22-250. The biggest blow to the 225 was it was introduced in 1964 in the new M70 that everyone hated. My brother had a 94 auction with a Remington barrel on it in 225. He took the barrel off and put a 30-30 barrel on it. Between trying to find flat nose 22 cal bullets and having to load them down to keep from blowing the lever auction up, he felt it was a waste. He just bought a 225 in a Winchester high wall. "Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220385 09/21/24 12:35 PM 09/21/24 12:35 PM
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Ridge Runner1960 trapper R Joined: Dec 2008 eastern WV	according to wikipedia the 225 was never chambered in a lever action Quote Based on the .219 Zipper case but with a reduced rim diameter[2] to fit the common .473" bolt face, it was intended as a replacement for the .220 Swift cartridge which had a reputation for burning out barrels. Despite having a modern straight taper design, the round was eclipsed by the older .22-250 Remington, already a popular wildcat introduced commercially a year later. The .225 Winchester was chambered in factory rifles by Winchester (Models 70 and 670) and Savage (Model 340). All commercially produced rifles chambered in .225 Winchester were turn-bolt or break actions. Winchester ceased producing rifles chambered in .225 Winchester in 1971, however seasonal production of loaded ammunition and brass continues by Winchester. Reloading dies for the round are readily available. The .225 Winchester's case is a parent case for some of SSK Industries'[3] popular line of JDJ cartridges designed by J.D. Jones, chosen for its strength and semi-rimmed design which makes it well suited for use in break-open actions.[4]

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220425 09/21/24 01:28 PM 09/21/24 01:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Sandpoint Idaho/ Whitesboro TX C cbat trapper
cbat trapper C Joined: Feb 2020 Sandpoint Idaho/ Whitesboro TX	I for one am going to pass on this 1. The real Wally

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220438 09/21/24 02:03 PM 09/21/24 02:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Missouri M mississippiposse trapper
mississippiposse trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Missouri	Interesting. But I will also pass

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220775 09/22/24 12:20 AM 09/22/24 12:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia 5 52Carl trapper
52Carl trapper 5 Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia	"1.5 MOA at 50 yards." That is a stupid expression. What is its MOA at 25 yards? 30 Yards? 60 yards? 100 yards? The answer? 1.5 MOA. If Winchester is too ignorant to know that, then we should make shovel and rake handles out of every rifle they have ever produced. On top of that, 1.5 MOA is lousy. I'm out.

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: 52Carl] #8220794 09/22/24 01:09 AM 09/22/24 01:09 AM
Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi Wolfdog91 OP trapper
Wolfdog91 OP trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Amite county Mississippi	Originally Posted by 52Carl "1.5 MOA at 50 yards." That is a stupid expression. What is its MOA at 25 yards? 30 Yards? 60 yards? 100 yards? The answer? 1.5 MOA. If Winchester is too ignorant to know that, then we should make shovel and rake handles out of every rifle they have ever produced. On top of that, 1.5 MOA is lousy. I'm out. So if I'm matching right...basically like 1" groups ..... Why they use moa at sub 100yd distance? Idk guess they like sounding fancy ? Buzzwords .... 100yd plus 1moa = 1" @100 2" @200 3" @300 roughly but you get the picture YouTube expert

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220879 09/22/24 09:09 AM 09/22/24 09:09 AM
Joined: Jun 2022 Manitoba Shakeyjake trapper
Shakeyjake trapper Joined: Jun 2022 Manitoba	Have they gone bonkers with that MOA claim? Or is lead free 22 ammo all junk? So you’re looking at 3” at 100yds…….meh. This will be a round for collectors quick, won’t last long. Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew

Re: Winchester 21 sharp [Re: Wolfdog91] #8220934 09/22/24 11:05 AM 09/22/24 11:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia 5 52Carl trapper
52Carl trapper 5 Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia	Originally Posted by Wolfdog91 Why they use moa at sub 100yd distance? Idk guess they like sounding fancy ? Buzzwords .... There's the rub. They are trying to pee down my back and tell me that it is raining. Then they are flat out lying that 22 rounds on the market are inferior to their 1.5 MOA rounds. I wouldn't give 1.5 MOA rounds to somebody's kid that I don't like.

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