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Re: union haters [Re: Providence Farm] #8220080
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Yes, Union higher ups endorse Democrats.
No, Union members don’t have to vote Democrat and I personally don’t know one that does.
And No not even our local president promotes Democrats and will tell you straight up he votes Republican. We know how much money we made when Trump was in office, lol.

With that said, our TA that brought us off strike, includes a 19% raise over the 5 year contract. So someone tell me why a company that sends out emails every quarter of billion dollar profits shouldn’t be bargained with about money? If your employees are making you that kind of money, compensate them! They’re gonna make it I won’t want to retire in 5yrs, lol.

Re: union haters [Re: bucksnbears] #8220096
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Amazes and infuriates me the stuff Union members " bring home".

One instance. A 49er buddy years ago asked me I wanted some good tape. Sure I said.
He gave me about 10 rolls of some incredible 3M tape.
Asked him where he got it. Answer was.., we had a big box delivered of it at the jobsite and an operator backed up, clipped the corner of the box (ruined one roll) and rejected the whole box! Like maybe 100 rolls!

Friend gave me several Full 20# propane tanks. They had " minor scuffs" so were rejected.
Friend came home with a trailer load of 2" 4x8 pink foam insulation. 50 sheets.
Over run was the reason. Couldn't take it back for extended so his " Forman" gave it to him.
Friend had about 15 pair of high quality neoprene waders in his garage. All brand new in the boxes.
Same story as the last one above.

The $$$/ theft that goes on is MINDBLOWING!!




Don't sound like you were infuriated enough to not accept the free tape.

That's mind-blowing !

Re: union haters [Re: Providence Farm] #8220107
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Look at Boeing vrs starlink

The best and brightest aren’t working at Boeing,,,

Union’s breed mediocrity

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Re: union haters [Re: spjones] #8220120
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Originally Posted by spjones
Look at Boeing vrs starlink

The best and brightest aren’t working at Boeing,,,

Union’s breed mediocrity


I won't deny that this might be true in some unions.
It's not the case in the building trades.
If you don't know you're trade and pull your weight,you don't work.
The lackeys don't get to drag everyone else on the crew down.
They do a good job of weeding themselves out.
Your work is your reputation
Your reputation keeps you working
Or keeps you from working
Pretty simple concept in the building trades

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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Amazes and infuriates me the stuff Union members " bring home".

One instance. A 49er buddy years ago asked me I wanted some good tape. Sure I said.
He gave me about 10 rolls of some incredible 3M tape.
Asked him where he got it. Answer was.., we had a big box delivered of it at the jobsite and an operator backed up, clipped the corner of the box (ruined one roll) and rejected the whole box! Like maybe 100 rolls!

Friend gave me several Full 20# propane tanks. They had " minor scuffs" so were rejected.
Friend came home with a trailer load of 2" 4x8 pink foam insulation. 50 sheets.
Over run was the reason. Couldn't take it back for extended so his " Forman" gave it to him.
Friend had about 15 pair of high quality neoprene waders in his garage. All brand new in the boxes.
Same story as the last one above.

The $$$/ theft that goes on is MINDBLOWING!!



Longshoremen used to (and probably still do) describe this type of merchandise as having "fallen off the truck". A bunch of white-trash thieves.


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Re: union haters [Re: Providence Farm] #8220223
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Are you guys insinuating that theft doesn't go on in non union shops?


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Re: union haters [Re: Raghorn67] #8220236
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Originally Posted by Raghorn67
Originally Posted by spjones
Look at Boeing vrs starlink

The best and brightest aren’t working at Boeing,,,

Union’s breed mediocrity


I won't deny that this might be true in some unions.
It's not the case in the building trades.
If you don't know you're trade and pull your weight,you don't work.
The lackeys don't get to drag everyone else on the crew down.
They do a good job of weeding themselves out.
Your work is your reputation
Your reputation keeps you working
Or keeps you from working
Pretty simple concept in the building trades



very well said. they don'tont understand everything single union setting is different.

spjones in that case that would be management failure. It they don't hold workers accountable they are not doing their job. They may have to do a lot work but they can get rid of anyone. If they are not the failure is on them. when they don't it makes more people resentful and the negative mind sets spread throughout the plant.
union or non management failure has the same result


Hey bucks when the construction job's are done and we were wrapping up it is common to have the superintendent give left over stuff to the men that built the project vs halling it off for junk I got given 400 #4 rebar 16' long off one job. often the cut offs that would be thrown away as well.


I have 110 8' 2x4 in the barn I got from work on a scrap pass. it came in as cribbing in rail cars I took it apart and removed the naild and took them home. The company has to track its wast and has dumpsters for wood scrap. they prefer employees to take it. I guess it would blow your mind to use something instead of throwing it away.

currently it's been 16' 2 x 8's coming in on the rail cars not 8' 2x4's from a new supplier. I really need to get my big trailers new axel put in.

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Re: union haters [Re: Providence Farm] #8220258
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I don't know about the construction.
But in automotive and industrial areas
Union breeds one concept.
Not My Job !
35 yrs of experience with that.


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I once even got a over 6'x2'x 10" hand cut old foundation stone that was dug out of the ground when doing the dirt work for new dorms at a university. that stome was more than my Toyota wanted weight wise geting it home. I put it on top of 2 square pyramid shape old foundation stones I had from an old barn I removed and made a nice stone bench. It looks nice and will out last my future grand kids but it's not the most comfortable seat. Is kind off like sitting on a rock for some reason.

Re: union haters [Re: Dillrod] #8220279
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Originally Posted by Dillrod
I don't know about the construction.
But in automotive and industrial areas
Union breeds one concept.
Not My Job !
35 yrs of experience with that.


I agree with you 100%
I've spent A LOT of time in the car plants through the years and seen it happening.
The UAW give all unions a bad name.

The facility I'm at currently is Steelworkers. We're there to "help" maintenance because they can't keep up.
Daily I pass through the maintenance break room to get paperwork signed by the supervisors for hot work, confined space, roof access, working from ladders,SPA's,etc. most of the maintenance dept is sitting in there streaming movies while I'm doing their job. If they would get up and do their jobs, I wouldn't be in their facility.
I'm glad they're lazy, gives me a 40 mile drive as opposed to driving to KC and dealing with citiots.

Re: union haters [Re: Dillrod] #8220283
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Originally Posted by Dillrod
I don't know about the construction.
But in automotive and industrial areas
Union breeds one concept.
Not My Job !
35 yrs of experience with that.

That can happen when there’s no unit integrity. Different unions, different job titles but all in the same workplace like mine, it helps to be friends with everyone. Even though it’s not in your job description, you do it to help a buddy out.


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Re: union haters [Re: Providence Farm] #8220286
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I'm IBEW. The top brass are basically politicians. I don't care if they moved up in the ranks. They lose touch at that point. The vast majority of the Union working body are blue collar conservative. The days of the Dems supporting the working man have been gone for decades. I just throw the IBEW newsletter straight in the trash when it arrives. It's just pictures of Biden and Harris and green energy projects. I'd stop paying dues immediately if I was legally allowed.


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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Originally Posted by Dillrod
I don't know about the construction.
But in automotive and industrial areas
Union breeds one concept.
Not My Job !
35 yrs of experience with that.

That can happen when there’s no unit integrity. Different unions, different job titles but all in the same workplace like mine, it helps to be friends with everyone. Even though it’s not in your job description, you do it to help a buddy out.

I like the trades. It's like the nfl, which is a union too. You're only as good as your last day of work. I don't want to work with a slug. The trades is not like factory work. You gotta get the building up on time and on budget. If you don't, the company won't survive and you will be out of work then. It's a two way street. The company gets you the work so you earn a living, and you do the work on time so they can too.

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All fine and dandy,as long as the Gov don't bail out pensions!
I recall that happening a couple decades ago.


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Re: union haters [Re: Steven 49er] #8220295
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Are you guys insinuating that theft doesn't go on in non union shops?



What was the subject again? Oh Yeah, Union people don't vote or support democrats. I think we got this figured out? The leadership does, because they know what they are doing for their members. A Majority of members do because most of the members have government employment.

Except for the union guys that post on here.

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"Reagan was the only president in American history to have belonged to a union, the AFL-CIO affiliated Screen Actors Guild. And he even served six terms as president of the organized labor group."

Pretty sure he was a Democrat then. smile


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some of us know the truth...the woke do not..


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Originally Posted by Dirt
"Reagan was the only president in American history to have belonged to a union, the AFL-CIO affiliated Screen Actors Guild. And he even served six terms as president of the organized labor group."

Pretty sure he was a Democrat then. smile



Well Trump is the best democrat on the ballot this year. So your Right I'm voting for a democrat.

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You could of saved yourself a lot of trouble saying X unions don't count democrat instead of the blanket statement of all unions don't vote Democrat.

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Like any of it matters. It's all bs. We spend too much time working in this country union or not. It's fall. Hunting has begun. Go wet a line or shoot your quarry. Enjoy your time. Most of the people in here are older and closer to the end. I just got back from a walk in the woods hunting for the elusive puffball mushroom. Good to be out.

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