Your age and the number of pills you are on
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I will be 68 in November and take no pills daily. I have little faith in anything they give a person helping them in the long hall. I have nothing causing problems, so why take pills. What about the rest of you, how many pills are you on and what is your age?
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One day short of 72. Blood pressure pill.
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Natural supplements are far from "PILLS".....they are not the average synthesized things that the body can't absorb and pees right out . They are true , properly cold pressed processed plant and animal sources that are concentrated and full of nutrients that no one can possibly get that amount from just eating three meals a day. I've been on these naturals for decades and have very good health. I am rarely sick, no shots or "vaccines" at all. Working out in body building, heavy weight lifting, core strengthening and some cardio is also key to health, no matter what age . Don't get overweight. This is what I do. It feels great.
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75, and taking 13 different pills. IT SUCKS BIGTIME!
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85 and take one blood pressure pill twice a day. It makes a difference.
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51 1 for ADHD 1 for ulcer (now preventive) 1 statin for stubborn high cholesterol.
All are benefitting me. I am hoping to eliminate the statin with some diet and lifestyle changes... I don't ever want to go back to untreated ADHD.
Just happy to be here.
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53 and haven't been to a doctor in over 8 years. I don't even take aspirin. Camels, Whiskey and Bacon will cure anything.
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67 I take one baby aspirin daily because my oncologist suggested it. Not the cardiologist. I do take 4 pills that are vitamins or supplements. None I take are required but I function better with them.
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59. Never taken pills other then ibuprofen and that's rarely.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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92 12 pills not overweight trapped tilll i was 88 dont get around much anymore.
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I will be 68 in November and take no pills daily. I have little faith in anything they give a person helping them in the long hall. I have nothing causing problems, so why take pills. What about the rest of you, how many pills are you on and what is your age? 68 here zero pills. Only medicinal tonic I take is cedar tea about once a week.
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46 a blood thinner , everyone in my family over 40 needs to run thinner or the heart gives out about 65 , but on thinners 84-95 are possible
metformin as I am a type 2 diabetic 1 twice a day
until my blood clot at 41 I was on nothing
so I guess that is 3 pills
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68. Keppra for seizures, thyroid meds, Advil PM, Turmeric for covid ailments, glucosamine chondroitin, Imodium for the squirts.
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80++ AND NO Pills, no vitamines or other health junk. Used to take Bud but when that stupid add started changed to Coors every once in a while.......jk
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61 none,,,, I wanted add meds but my doctor said it is not good to give drugs to someone with a addictive personality Eat very little proceed food. Do a physical one a year. Smoke the ganja....for ceremonial purposes....... Booze for pain
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58 I take 12 pills a day. But I have CML and luckily am currently in treatment free remission or there would be more daily than this.
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The only pill I take is just to keep me from rolling out of bed at night.
I have nothing clever to put here.
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1 antibiotic for a chronic infection after my motorcycle wreck 1 probiotic 1 for GERD 2 bp meds for my liver 3 potassium pills. 1 diuretic for edema
I was taking a bunch more, but a drastic change in diet got rid of about 6 pills.
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The only pill I take is just to keep me from rolling out of bed at night. Blue Woodys?
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68, 1 meloxicam a day for arthritis/inflammation
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That's a lot of magnesium. Is that how you acquired your magnetic personality?
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When I was in high-school. The local pharmacy would dispose of the out of date drugs into the dumpster. We pulled out 12 boxes of two different color strength Man I was a bad kid
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It was a 70s / later thing. My parents found my weed. Thought it was gone forever. Found it in their liquor cabinet
I don't think they ever smoked, but I think some friends did...
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I will be 68 in November and take no pills daily. I have little faith in anything they give a person helping them in the long hall. I have nothing causing problems, so why take pills. What about the rest of you, how many pills are you on and what is your age? Five years ago, until this year I was on over active bladder med, flomax, two blood pressure and a statins. Two years ago we stopped eating most processed food, I dropped forty lbs. I've been taking Cheyenne pepper every morning, I no longer need bladder, flomax, sratin blood pressure meds. We found out a year and a half ago that statins are very bad for you, they prevent the brain from recovering. My pressure went down, but my house bound wife hers hasn't
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no $ for big pharma if your healthy.
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Yes statins are bad....
joder tu cuerpo
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46 in a couple weeks. 1, an antacid.
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this dock strike may make getting some meds difficult
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When I was in high-school. The local pharmacy would dispose of the out of date drugs into the dumpster. We pulled out 12 boxes of two different color strength Man I was a bad kid Geez, that is really sticking your hand into the hallucinogenic grab bag.
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81. Take Carvedilol for high BP, Eliquis for AFIB. I go the the health club where I lift weights and do 25 minutes cardio Monday to Friday. I take a lot of vitamins and Quercetin and NAC for immune system. Have never been vaccinated for anything. Had covid twice, symptoms were as mild as a common cold. Have an annual physical so I can get my meds refilled. Just was there yesterday. My BP was 112/75. Oxygen level 98%.
A man is suing Smart Water for it not making him smart. I'm seriously thinking of suing Thin Mints.
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this dock strike may make getting some meds difficult well maybe it will show we could not out source important things. A big % of meds come from China, theybcant even send children's toys without lead paint. Is that who you trust to make meds?
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age 15 3 pills 1 for allergies 1 for anxiety 1 for adhd
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Just turned 64, only vitamins and supplements these days. Ten years back I was on a bakers dozen for a-fib, blood pressure and type-2 db. Had a heart ablation procedure that cured the a-fib and lost 100+ pounds that took care of the rest. After a couple of back surgeries that didn't quite do what they promised, I have a running script for some hardcore pain pills, but only take when I absolutely need to, otherwise it's Tylenol and deal with it.
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72 years old and take 16 pills a day for various issues. But I’m still fishing and squirrel hunting and trapping some
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Now how many that take a couple or more pills a day eat a lot of processed food. You know stuff in cans, boxes, jars or bags. You should look at what you are eating. The list of stuff that is in it anyway. Most he processed food is making problems for you, so you have to go on pills.
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I eat almost ZERO processed food other then a good frozen pizza once a week.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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I eat almost ZERO processed food other then a good frozen pizza once a week.
I never saw a good frozen pizza. If you get out this way give me a shout and I will show you what a good Pizza is. It will have a sour dough crust, but you should be able to was it down with a home brew. It will be made in a cast iron skillet and fill it to the top. Lots of meat and cheese.
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I eat almost ZERO processed food other then a good frozen pizza once a week.
I never saw a good frozen pizza. If you get out this way give me a shout and I will show you what a good Pizza is. It will have a sour dough crust, but you should be able to was it down with a home brew. It will be made in a cast iron skillet and fill it to the top. Lots of meat and cheese. I trust you on the Pizza Mark. I'll bring my own beer though Heggies brand pizzas are GREAT!. Not sure if you get them in your area?
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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I have never looked at a frozen pizza in a store. I may have had one or two in a bar after midnight. I never heard of Heggies pizza. Is it made by the same people that make Huggies? Bring lots of beer and we will drink yours.
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67 I take one baby aspirin daily because my oncologist suggested it. Not the cardiologist. I do take 4 pills that are vitamins or supplements. None I take are required but I function better with them.
Mac
"Never Forget Which Way Is Up!" Of course the cardiologist didn't suggest it; there's no money in it. Oh, almost forgot, 67, one, hydroxychloroquine 200 mg every other day, for arthritis.
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Re: Your age and the number of pills you are on
[Re: MJM]
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Yesterday at 05:27 AM
Yesterday at 05:27 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,244 Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
west river rogue
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Posts: 11,244
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Now how many that take a couple or more pills a day eat a lot of processed food. You know stuff in cans, boxes, jars or bags. You should look at what you are eating. The list of stuff that is in it anyway. Most he processed food is making problems for you, so you have to go on pills. No canned or processed foods here....exercise regularly...fast walk 2.5 miles a day and extras.weights. cracked tailbone at present from a fall last week so slowing down a bit at the moment. Still load ànd unload feed sacks etc.
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Re: Your age and the number of pills you are on
[Re: MJM]
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Yesterday at 05:57 AM
Yesterday at 05:57 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,244 Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
west river rogue
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I have never looked at a frozen pizza in a store. I may have had one or two in a bar after midnight. I never heard of Heggies pizza. Is it made by the same people that make Huggies? Bring lots of beer and we will drink yours. Lol
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Re: Your age and the number of pills you are on
[Re: MJM]
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Yesterday at 06:53 PM
Yesterday at 06:53 PM
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Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 281 Smithsburg, MD
J.C.
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46, three mental health pills.
To a person ignorant of nature, his country stroll is a walk through a gallery filled with wonderful works of art with their faces turned to the wall
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