My thread looking for a smokeless muzzleloader fell flat as I'm assuming that is a dead end. Anyone else have suggestions on a modern muzzleloader? Don't want one of the multi thousands of dollars customs, just want a deer hunter. Was looking at nitrofire/firestick by traditions but would consider anything.

the build your own at fleet farm or the traditions brand you can get a pretty decent working .50 cal muzzleloader at Walmart for 500 bucks or so

I don’t remember your smokeless thread, so I may have posted this, but I know a guy that had one of the savages blow up he kept all body parts but is in pain daily now.

Check out the CVA accura line. I’m really pleased with mine. I’ve got the accura v2 lr. Eric

I am also happy with my cva accura v2.

I feel like they may have been discontinued because people but 100+ grain loads of smokeless in them like they would with black powder. We've shot a pile of deer with my dad's, never had an issue and there isn't any recalls or anything

CVA Accura

You can have a smokeless muzzleloader built if you want one. I used a CVA Apex frame and a 45/70 barrel. Works great. I had the chamber threaded for a savage Smokeless breech plug.

I have hears these stories a lot. Sad part is I'm not sure it's the gun but user error. Just a little extra smokeless is not like a little extra black powder. it's also measured by weight not volume. Very easy to make a mistake especially for people that are not used to loading ammo and act careless like standard black powder.

I have had my savage since they came out killed a Ton of deer with it even had it cut down for the kids what they were small an used the most reduced charge listed I'm thinking 38 gr of 5744 or maybe 34gr. I would have to look it up. I have not use it since these stories came out but 99 % or more of them are likely user error at least likely in my opinion.

Donner you don't want an expensive custom so Bad Bull is out . that's the badest smokeless ever made I don't have one due to price.

Had a CVA optima v2 that was good.

Woodman Arms, made in NH.

CVA Acura or optima

Definitely nitro fire stick if they're legal where you hunt. I have two of them. No more shooting to unload. Can legally have in truck if fire stick is removed and it's considered unloaded. So easy to clean as well with the break open action and no breech plug.

Wait you can't have loaded guns in a vehicle?

I have a remington 50 cal that needs a bolt.

You can order after market bolts.


I'd sell it for a $100 plus shipping.

Have a Buddy who had 2 knights for sale, One is a DISC 45 cal the other is a 50 cal.

Find someone with a nice used Thompson Center Pro Hunter. Been extremely pleased as has everyone I know that purchased one. You can also swap barrels if wanted.....

I would go with a cva. Even though our state made strait wall cartridge guns legal this year I will be toting my CVA.

I can have my smoke pole loaded as long as the primer isn't in.

I missed your smokeless muzzleloader thread. I have hunted with muzzleloaders of all kinds for about 45 years.
Then I tried smokeless. I doubt I will ever shoot traditional muzzleloaders again except for where required in our Mountaineer Heritage season.
I have also reloaded for over 40 years and as of now smokeless muzzleloaders are in my opinion simpler then reloading modern cartridges.

There are multiple custom smokeless muzzleloader builders out there. They can get stupid expensive.
You can also have barrels to install on about any rifled action.

One of the best complete guns is a Woodman Arms Patriot, with the adj. high pressure breech plug. I have one and it is one of the nicest firearms I own. His patented adj. breech plug is the absolute necessity for smokeless.
You can get a smokeless Patriot in .40, 45, or 50 cal.

Another option from Mark at Woodman arms is his drop in smokeless barrel for T/C Omegas. I have one of these as well with adj. breechplug. It is the most economical option that I know of for smokeless.

If you want to get info on smokeless or anything on muzzleloading I highly suggest using the link below and become a member. Those guys on there shortened my learning curve on smokeless from nothing to experienced in a couple weeks.

Just introduce yourself and ask any question.

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/

Thank you Sshaffer, the woodman is exactly what I was looking for with a price that is reasonable

Now all I have to do is wait! Just ordered a woodman arms patriot G3 in .40 cal. 20 weeks back ordered, next year I should have one heckuva gun for muzzle loading season.

this is worth the watch

they break then down into 3 tiers
traditional flint and side lock percussion cap

Modern inline most commonly 209 ignition

then High performance , which tends to use a partial case that holds a large rifle primer and you use a we

the high performance are getting to be almost a cartridge rifle in accuracy and ignition and cleaning as many use the smokless powder or blackhorn 209

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYjqUhvPoYY

Love my nitrofire/firestick.Very accurate.Easy to clean.Awsesome muzzleloader.

Before I ordered I talked to Mark at woodman arms, he said the g3 .40 cal will push a 250 grain bullet 2900 fps and be capable to 300-400 yards. He also said he could build a custom gun off a Remington 700 that would do double that but I did not want the extra weight and bulk that would come with that.

The load mark shoots from his .40 cal is 80 grains of varget (smokeless powder) a veggie wad and 250 grain Parker match bullet which he said is "devasting on deer"

Cva accura v2. Mineis about 15 years old. The stock was so sticky when I took it out of the safe this year it would stick to your hand. Called cva. They said yes there was a problem with some and sent me a new stock. Great, accurate rifles and good customer service

I really wanted smokeless, being able to leave a gun loaded all season and not foul up and being able to shoot multiple times with no fouling is a major advantage. I've heard of guys shooting 250 shots over multiple years with no problems

I'm glad you found what you wanted

glad to hear you found what you wanted

I am still using holy black FFFg
and full bore lead conics I don't need the range I seldom can see over 125 yards

We own some land in the Praries of MN and are in a slug gun or muzzleloader only zone, this gun should be capable of 300 yards consistently and I can use it for about a month a year.

that is the stupidity of the slug only garbage , we have found enough ways around it through technology

I am running sabot slugs in a 20ga with a scope and get out to that 125 fine
I ran a muzzle loader at point to do the same
and I run a 300 blackout pistol at times as WI is shotgun or pistol but not Pistol caliber carbine which is dumb but it is an old law , that is held onto on a township by township basis.
technically the entire state is rifle now but townships can say no rifles but then it is just the old shotgun and pistol or muzzle loader.
pistols keep people under 18 from hunting with them and muzzle loaders keep you to one round per barrel.
so in a way it keeps people from loading up a 300winmag semi auto and mag dumping at deer , not like those are that common either.

they found reports of stray rounds and property damage went down significantly when Green County went rifle , the sheriff was concerned at first then found , when people can actually hit the deer at 130-175 yards with the first round they didn't dump the magazine of slugs trying to lob them in.
that rifles were given the respect that people didn't give shotgun slugs.

a 12ga slug is still moving at 400 yards when you aim 4 feet over a deer's back you just only have a degree of idea where it is going , people think once they can't control it to keep it on a target it must be falling into the dirt, that isn't actually the case they are still trucking , just not hitting where you wanted