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If Hitler didnt go to war #8236915
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I always wondered what would have happened to Germany if Hitler decided that peace was a better option for him (although I know it wasnt in his blood). Would the 3rd Reich still exist today? Would Japan still have bombed Pearl Harbor? Would the Soviet Union attack Germany and, if so, would any of the remaining Allies join Germany? Any of you Historians on here have an opinion?


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Germany needed war to get out of their severe, economic slump. Without going to war, there would have been starvation and huge civil unrest in Germany, eventually leading to the formation of a new government.

Japan would likely not have bombed Pearl Harbor, in that time period. Japan likely would have taken all of China.

The Soviet Union would of started picking off all the Eastern European countries, some of the Asian ones and consolidating them into their empire. At some point they would have ended up in a war with Japan.

Europe would of kept it's African colonies, including the Middle East.

The US would still have most women staying at home with the kids. The US and the world would have muc less technology. The US would likely have tough economic times.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Germany needed war to get out of their severe, economic slump. Without going to war, there would have been starvation and huge civil unrest in Germany, eventually leading to the formation of a new government.

Japan would likely not have bombed Pearl Harbor, in that time period. Japan likely would have taken all of China.

The Soviet Union would of started picking off all the Eastern European countries, some of the Asian ones and consolidating them into their empire. At some point they would have ended up in a war with Japan.

Europe would of kept it's African colonies, including the Middle East.

The US would still have most women staying at home with the kids. The US and the world would have muc less technology. The US would likely have tough economic times.

Keith


Some good thoughts Keith.


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I agree Germany needed to take over other countries and steal wealth and resources from both it's people , the Jewish people and every country it invaded.

Russia/USSR was majorly slowed down in it's ability to take on other lands by the number or human and other resources it had to put against Germany.

few people understand the amount of aid the US was sending to Russia to keep them fighting the Germans on the eastern front.

main land US was such a manufacturing powerhouse


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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I agree Germany needed to take over other countries and steal wealth and resources from both it's people , the Jewish people and every country it invaded.

Russia/USSR was majorly slowed down in it's ability to take on other lands by the number or human and other resources it had to put against Germany.

few people understand the amount of aid the US was sending to Russia to keep them fighting the Germans on the eastern front.

main land US was such a manufacturing powerhouse


Why did Hitler go after the Jews in the first place?

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Russia would of invaded Eastern Europe, Poland would of still been a battle field between Germany and Russia.

There is a real chance France slides towards the communist along with Spain and they supply the Russians forcing a German English alliance against the communist states. Britain and Germany split Africa between them. During a prolonged war without a quick decisive defeat the Germans would of ended up with nuclear weapons, jet planes, etc, they would of come to dominate Europe.

Note that Germany did not declare war against France and Britain, they declared war on Germany, not due to moral reasons, they wanted control of German colonies.

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If you read into Mein Kampf, you will get an understanding of what was in the guys head. Not pretty.

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I've often wondered if the whole Jewish issue wasn't a thing. Let's say Hitler was sane in that one regard and all of the energy expended in that horror had been added to the war effort just what difference it would have made.

Near as I can figure more manpower as there were patriotic german jews. Rail and industry fully devoted to the war effort but ultimately the same out come just maybe a few years later. Ultimately the German economy was destined for collapse. The only maybe is if the added effort induced an early soviet capitulation. Even then the USSR would someday hit back.

But would Hitler have rose to power without a "them" bogeyman to rail against?


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Read John Tolands biography of Hitler.-Definitive.


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Originally Posted by bleeohio
If you read into Mein Kampf, you will get an understanding of what was in the guys head. Not pretty.

I started it , got through the prologue and realized , 200 years of everything that could have ever been taken as an insult or dig at Germany was tallied never taking into any account what was done to any other country by Germany.
Hitler was a victim , Germany was a victim , and anything could and would be done to avenge the atrocities committed against Germany.


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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Why did Hitler go after the Jews in the first place?


Hitler went after the Jews because they were Jews !! frown

Hitler & the Nazis needed a scapegoat and the Jews were It !! frown


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I always wondered what would have happened to Germany if Hitler decided that peace was a better option for him (although I know it wasnt in his blood). Would the 3rd Reich still exist today? Would Japan still have bombed Pearl Harbor? Would the Soviet Union attack Germany and, if so, would any of the remaining Allies join Germany? Any of you Historians on here have an opinion?
Third Reich still exist= probably.
Japan still would of bombed Pearl Harbor. They were wrecking havoc in Asia, no one was stopping them, they had creeped into our area, we had cut off their oil which they needed, they knew we were going to do something so they made the first move.
Soviet Union would not have attacked Germany. Doing all they could to keep their communist system going, US was the future threat, didn't have excess money or manpower for a war.

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What we know as history is only as good as the victors that conquered and wrote it.....then re-educated us all on what really happened and how we are supposed to think.
This is worth the watch if one is sincerely interested in this part of history; rather than what we have been educated to believe.

It's been banned on youtube, and I cannot figure out how to imbed it with Rumble, but here is the link to the interview..... There is an introduction, but the interview starts at 11:18.

Jewish Journalist Interviews Ernst Zundel

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The German people are a fascinating race. Brilliant and full of science minded individuals. There country and nationality has been destroyed.

I'm not German, but was raised around a lot of them and Czech, Polish, Slavic descendants. Good folks; salt of the earth.


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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I agree Germany needed to take over other countries and steal wealth and resources from both it's people , the Jewish people and every country it invaded.

Russia/USSR was majorly slowed down in it's ability to take on other lands by the number or human and other resources it had to put against Germany.

few people understand the amount of aid the US was sending to Russia to keep them fighting the Germans on the eastern front.

main land US was such a manufacturing powerhouse


Why did Hitler go after the Jews in the first place?

not just one reason , but the Nazi party was already organized , it had structure a following and a good hate model already.

it had symbolism and a following of the kind of people he needed to work with.


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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Why did Hitler go after the Jews in the first place?


Hitler went after the Jews because they were Jews !! frown

Hitler & the Nazis needed a scapegoat and the Jews were It !! frown


and also no other country wanted the Jews either

it was the perfect litmus test , if you could get away with Kristallnacht while there was a bit fo deniability , oh it was just some radicals , but no one payed it any attention , that was the que that the world wasn't watching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20November%209%2C%20the,were%20ransacked%20all%20throughout%20Germany.


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Originally Posted by Chancey
The German people are a fascinating race. Brilliant and full of science minded individuals. There country and nationality has been destroyed.

I'm not German, but was raised around a lot of them and Czech, Polish, Slavic descendants. Good folks; salt of the earth.


I recall standing in Dachau wondering how these genuinely nice hard working people could've done what they done.

Just look around the US today and there's my answer.


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Originally Posted by Chancey
What we know as history is only as good as the victors that conquered and wrote it.....then re-educated us all on what really happened and how we are supposed to think.
This is worth the watch if one is sincerely interested in this part of history; rather than what we have been educated to believe.

It's been banned on youtube, and I cannot figure out how to imbed it with Rumble, but here is the link to the interview..... There is an introduction, but the interview starts at 11:18.

Jewish Journalist Interviews Ernst Zundel


Zundels prediction about karma being visited on the jews is spooky in light of what is going on now.


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Truth right there.^^^^^^^^^


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There is no so called anti-semitism, without there first being semitism.

If one goes back and digs through the mess of contrived-biased history, Churchill had many negative things to say about what was taking place in Germany in the 20s regarding the Jewish influence. For some reason, he about faced and did the opposite during WWII. He had some dirt on him. Same as all our politicians today.

I'm pretty sure that there was dirt on our politicians over here as well during that time frame and a lot of it goes back to Woodrow Wilson.

During Hitler's time. The Jewish population was by percentage much more in Germany than it is even here in the US today; yet they controlled all the media, and other things, and they also had control of over 20% of the government. An inconvenient truth pill that is hard for people to swallow is that Hitler threw all the Jewish members of the government out of the German Congress. IMO, that is what started WW2.. Very soon after that, the allies with our aid destroyed Germany and other places with our bombs. We cut off roads, destroyed bridges, created food shortages and people starved. This was after the fact, of what the Jewish Bolsheiviks just did in SW Russia and the the eastern Slavic countries and eastern Europe......creating a worse case scenario of starving people that killed and destroyed millions of people with no infrastructure and no way to get or receive help and supplies.

Dresden and Holodomor were absolute atrocities.

I won't go full conspiracy theorist on ya'll but, I hold Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the Oct 7 Israel attack about in the same regard. The controllers knew it was coming; cause they orchestrated it. IMO, there will probably be something that happens over here in the very near future to get us all rowled up again too and send our boys and girls to war to fight for something that we didn't even start.

What better way to get Americans to fight? "By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War"


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