Whats harder on kidneys, high protein diet or blood pressure meds.

Healthy kidneys? Bp meds for sure. But high protein, low carb, low fiber and antioxidants is hard on the kidneys, too. For reasons the BP meds are risky. Dehydration being one. Glucose holds water in the organs and muscles. I'm not against low carb in theory. But I think we're going to find out that carnivore diet is another scam. People enjoy the instant gratification of dropping weight quickly, heck, I sure do. But the theory that plants are "killing us" is garbage. We need folate. So my thoughts are, if you're Carn, take a vitamin and keep it temporary. Especially for remedying fatty liver

I think humans are meant to be omnivores. I eat lots of plants. Just not high carb plants. Right now I am snacking on Pecans from the tree in my yard. I eat tomatoes almost every morning at breakfast. Lettuce cabbage collards spinach wild greens green beans brussel sprouts asparagus olives to name a few .

That sounds amazing... And I completely agree.

they are fairly wrong on salt also

when you go to no grain no sugar all the hidden sodium to make that stuff shelf stable for months and months and months

so you no longer need to avoid salt in many cases you need to add a broth or shot of pickle juice each day

if your BP good and your electrolites are good they should say , carry on but they have to have some reason to scold you it seems

my insurance company recommended and pays for with no co-pay on my part a specialist group , it is doctors and coaches that I meet with a couple times to get set up and I message with the coach on any questions and my glucose and keytone meter and scale syce with an app that uploads them the data
they specialise in high proteins , high fat , ultra low carb diets and monitor and provide recipes and answer questions. watch for issues with my numbers.
I do blood tests as they request them also to check A1C and other blood numbers

to my point in the starter pack they send HerbOX bulion cubes 2 cans of them
they recommend 2x a day morning and afternoon drink a cup of broth , that right there each cube is 44% of your daily FDA sodium 88% and then salt food to taste as well. they get when you eat meat , veg , diary you just don't get the hidden sodium.

that right there would make most Docs fall of their little rollie stool.

PF I only just now saw this. I think what you and your wife are doing is probably really good for you. The older we get, the more insulin resistant we become. I did find that as a woman, not over 50, I need glucose. Progesterone, for women, the stress relief (and other fertility use)hormone, needs glucose.

yes you need sugar but just spit balling and guessing with these #s but I am sure I'm shooting low but she doesn't need but maybe 10% of what she was eating in sugar.

Her doc recommended 40 carbs or less a day. that seemed crazy when I started looking at carbs in food. Funny thing I don't think I have eaten more than 10 in a day since her appointment and often less. It's mostly to prove it can be done. What is really hard is it's backing season for her before the holidays and killing here cooking is something she enjoys.

Everyone is different.
Our bodies are different , some function differently than others.
We're born with what we are, and some of us can live just fine on pure natural foods, and once in awhile indulge in pleasure foods.
Others just look at something and it effects their bodies.
None of us are going to live forever, so enjoy the time you have.
I've known many that practiced healthy diets and exercise , and they aren't here any more.
I believe we're here for a reason that none of us know.
Once we fulfill that reason , our time is up. But we may have accomplished it many years ago, and were given more time with God's grace .
Who knows , you can drive yourself insane wondering about things too long.

Lots of people incorporate fasting windows and low carb. She can probably fib on the holidays. There are way to remain insulin sensitive and not go overboard on your pancreas. I'm with Wolverine, life has to be worth living.

She's not a failure of she enjoys herself.

The reason I pointed out fasting, again, is because of she does so just around the holidays it will help her not feeling terrible. But if course, we're all different.

I know people that can't have salt, ( at least that's what they say) while I eat salt on everything.
I can remember bailing hay and the sweat pouring down my face, and once sitting in the shade , my face and forehead felt like it was covered in fine sand.
We need salt , why it effects some different is just their bodies being different.
Some people are allergic to bee stings , or certain foods , while others aren't allergic to anything.
That's just life as it is, plain and simple.

Yep. Our activity level, sleep...all good stuff, Wolverine

I'm just trying to keep mobile while I'm here. Death isn't my concern. It's disability that scares me

there are 12 carbs in a cup of milk , so my 60 goal is not always reached

but when you look at a can of pop and your like ********** I used to drink 4 a day often

if you drank 2 cups of milk for 24 carbs and an apple for 25 carbs approximation , the little bit you get from virtually anything else you eat vegtable wise would have you at 60 fairly quick.

my goals are 17 ounces of proteins
60 carbs

they set my wife at 16oz protien and 60 carbs

she is nearly the same size as me 1 inch shorter , yes that makes her a 6'1" woman way over average even way over tall for a woman which starts at 5'7"

watch out for carrots and peas the are high carb veg

Winner right here.

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there are 12 carbs in a cup of milk , so my 60 goal is not always reached

but when you look at a can of pop and your like ********** I used to drink 4 a day often

if you drank 2 cups of milk for 24 carbs and an apple for 25 carbs approximation , the little bit you get from virtually anything else you eat vegtable wise would have you at 60 fairly quick.

my goals are 17 ounces of proteins
60 carbs

they set my wife at 16oz protien and 60 carbs

she is nearly the same size as me 1 inch shorter , yes that makes her a 6'1" woman way over average even way over tall for a woman which starts at 5'7"

watch out for carrots and peas the are high carb veg
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Yes cutting out not just milk but the usual quart of chocolate milk I was drinking along with the little 6 in a pack crackers and the 4 pack of banana nut muffins I would pick up as convenient and cheap things to eat when traveling have Been a change and that's not counting the two Mc doubles and large Dr p I would get a few to 3 days aweek because it was quick and cheap. Instead today I stopped and got some coby jack slices and lunch meat rolled them up and an unsweetened tea from the store. that made both after work and before work food. Huge chang from what I had been in the habit of eating. Picked up some more packages of Tunna for snacks. Now if I added about 12 eggs or more a day it would be almost like back when I was working out like my life dependent on it a decade ago. I do need to get back into a routine with that but that's tough with my schedule.


Now then toss in carbs and net carbs. Reminds me of its x ° outside BUT it feels like it's....... Maybe in just to simple but the temp is the tem it is and carbs are carbs it to much extra to add when starting to watch things

One can go carnivore and reset their body. Then try other foods and find out which ones don't work for you. Like cause inflammation. Then just avoid those foods.

Have you heard of the GAPS diet? A neurosurgeon mother who's son was diagnosed with Autism created a diet that basically mimics carna with broth and fermented foods. To heal the gut and then you slowly incorporate things to discover inflammatory foods.
I definitely think that is a good idea. A reset.

the carbs vs net carbs

there is this idea that fiber offsets carbs, when it really more or less slows your ability to digest them.

it can draw it out over a longer time to not spike your blood sugar

that doesn't make it not x carbs it makes it x carbs over a longer to digest.

I am not a big believer in net carbs , but it can help

Back in our long term history thousands of years ago, there were no refined foods, but also the average human probably lived half as long as they do today and there are a lot of additional impacts on our bodies with just food intake, let alone all the other factors. A lot of things that did not impact us much at 30 or 40 sure can at 70 and 80.

Bryce