This congressional researched and vetted PDF explains in great detail why illegal aliens, even if they work, cost us billions.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...G-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf

Keith

Lugnut, your assumption that all the wages being paid to illegals is under the table is certainly wrong. Maybe a few guys cutting lawns and getting paid in cash are out there, but the vast majority of undocumented workers are on payroll. They will mostly have false SS numbers but the IRS assigns them an ITIN number and unabashedly collects payroll taxes including Social Security taxes. The only way they will ever receive any benefits from their (and their employers') contributions to SS is if at some point they attain legal status and get a genuine SS number. Unless congress passes some sort of amnesty most will have very little chance of ever qualifying for benefits.

I have no actual experience with this in any way, but that’s pretty much what I’ve heard from several people involved with employing undocumented workers also. Legitimate public facing businesses. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess there are probably even folks in the fur/trapping industry employing such folk. Happy trapping! ScottW

100 percent correct.

Who cares!

That money would go to a legal employee. I know that employers would say that no one else will do the work. Untrue. Get rid of welfare, raise wages for these type jobs.

I work in the construction trades both here PA and in NJ. We are overrun with illegal workers, especially in Jersey where they stand around in certain areas waiting to be hired for the week or even just a day. They are hard workers but I can guarantee you those folks are not paying taxes on their wages.

ITIN’s should be illegal and probably are.

Compounded

I totally agree with you on that Snowy.
Osky

Many Mexicans are here legally on work visas. Many are not. There are alot of Mexicans working in bodyshops fixing wrecked cars. They're good at what they do. If it weren't for Mexicans there would be alot of work not done.

Steven--I'm all about getting rid of welfare and fake disability welfare. But, I'm not even a little convinced that those bums will do the work that the illegals do.

You are missing the point. The ones getting free health care and SSI monthly checks can still work and make unlimited money because there is no way to track them. THe amoint handed out each month wil dwarf the taxes withheld from their pay checks..

Stop trying to justify giving them anything. Funny how they walked 2,000 miles to escape poverty but most look like they just came from the mall when they cross over???

If they dont like it, they can go back to where they came from.If you guys dont like it,,,yous can go with them.

When SS goes up medicare goes up. Left hand right hand

I haven't seen that for decades here. There's way more jobs around here than people to fill them. On the taxpayer identification numbers if you don't believe it look it up. My information comes from the local IRS office.

What is the increase for military retirees?

Oh I know ITIN's exist and are used by the IRS to take taxes from illegal aliens who can't legally obtain SS numbers. The IRS knows these folks are here and working illegally but I guess as long as they pay in to the system it's okay to look the other way?

I stand by my statement that ITIN's should be illegal. The IRS is knowingly aiding and abetting folks engaged in criminal activity. Whether or not they are paying taxes should be irrelevant.

And again, in my little corner of the Country, I know the majority of them are not.

I was just commenting on the statement that "ITINs should be illegal and probably are".

And yep, Uncle Sam ain't too proud to take money from anybody they can.

Let me ask this: In your area are illegals taking jobs that would normally be filled by legal residents? Are they suppressing wages in construction? Not trying to make any points, just curious as to what's happening in your part of the world.

I don't think they are taking many jobs or suppressing wages.

I suppose if a contractors/subcontractors are using illegal labor exclusively it would be taking jobs from legal residents they'd have to legally hire and put on the books. But I'm not seeing too much of that. I know some outfits are doing that but mostly the illegals are hired short-term to do labor-intensive stuff like demo and clean-ups.

From what I've experienced they work hard and cheap.

so short term does not take that job from a citizen? But because they work and are cheaper it's OK. so the answer is yes they depress wages and take jobs from citizens.

4 nights ago the Mexicans building the new apartment complex 8 miles from my farm were out almost dark at 530pm and working in the rain. Absolutely not safe to be on top of the buildings framing them in the near dark slick and its the rain. It was the first time I saw anyone on that job sight tied off with a retractable. but that was only one of them.

I know around here all the drywallers are Mexicans or at least from south of the border.
Most don't speak English.
If they are illegals I don't know.
But I do know these crews depress wages.

My Dad used to be a Drywall contractor. He raised a family of 4 kids and a wife on his wages.
Interesting that back them the rocking crews were only 2 and the tapers and finishers were just one guy.
Now the crews are usually about 1/2 a dozen. I can't imagine that hey can outbid everyone else and pay for 3-6 times the amount of workers to do a job.
And they aren't any quicker and they do a much worse job in the end.

My Son works in the trades, when the drywallers show up the tools have to be locked up and you have to keep an eye on everything to watch for damage and missing or stolen stuff. They have zero respect for the other trades. They are universally disliked.

Just my .02