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? For war historians #8284066
12/11/24 08:25 PM
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Pearl Harbor was bombed Dec 7 in 1941. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed August 6 and 9 in 1945. Why 4 yrs later than sooner?


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284070
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The Atomic bomb was not yet developed.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: danvee] #8284073
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Originally Posted by danvee
The Atomic bomb was not yet developed.


X2 - read up on the Manhattan Project.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284078
12/11/24 08:35 PM
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Seen models of those bombs down at the Eglin Air Force armament museum in Florida, they were a heckuva technological development.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284144
12/11/24 09:37 PM
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There was also much debate in the White House about using of the bomb itself. The moral implications vs losses for the US.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Bear Tracker] #8284149
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
There was also much debate in the White House about using of the bomb itself. The moral implications vs losses for the US.


I read they were expecting up to a million American casualties if we invaded Japan. I assume they meant killed and wounded.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284333
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Watch the movie Oppenheimer

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284378
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Yes, had the USA not developed and used the bomb, many of us would not be here today. Our fathers would have been killed in the invasion of mainland Japan.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284412
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The two nukes that we dropped on Japan were the only two that we had . A third was in production when japan surrendered.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284467
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We also didn't have a plane that could carry that payload when we entered the war, or airbases to fly from. Gosh, you've got some reading to do.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: EdP] #8284471
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Originally Posted by EdP
We also didn't have a plane that could carry that payload when we entered the war, or airbases to fly from. Gosh, you've got some reading to do.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284476
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I have several Japanese friends and they all say that the Atomic bombs saved the japanese race. The men folks were all overseas at war and the woman folks were the ones at home. And invasion would have wiped out the females and children......jk


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FYI Japan is the size of California and 2/3 of it is mountains you can't live in.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284501
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I think the way Japan was defending some of the islands to the last man was a bit of a wake up call for us as well. As far as a ground invasion into Japan.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Gary Benson] #8284640
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Another reason to drop the bomb was to show the Russians we had it and were willing to use it.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: jk] #8284732
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Originally Posted by jk
I have several Japanese friends and they all say that the Atomic bombs saved the japanese race. The men folks were all overseas at war and the woman folks were the ones at home. And invasion would have wiped out the females and children......jk

Hmm that's an interesting take but farely farfetched, at least for that reason. It would of been the opposite because the warriors would of fought to the last man such as was their belief at that time.

There's only two ways to win a war, take away their ability to fight or take away their will to fight.

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Originally Posted by Kart29
Another reason to drop the bomb was to show the Russians we had it and were willing to use it.


Yep,
Stalin was thinking about taking all (or as much as he could) of Europe until we dropped it.


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Re: ? For war historians [Re: loosegoose] #8285036
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
The two nukes that we dropped on Japan were the only two that we had . A third was in production when japan surrendered.


The fact that we had two is what shocked the Japanese, they were on the brink of their own Abomb and their research indicated that it would take years to amass the needed amount of atomic material for even one bomb so the fact we had two threw them into shock and confusion

If we hadn’t dropped the bomb you can bet as soon as they had there’s assembled they would have used it



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I have several Japanese friends and they all say that the Atomic bombs saved the japanese race. The men folks were all overseas at war and the woman folks were the ones at home. And invasion would have wiped out the females and children.



Over time I have come to believe that dropping the atomic bombs saved the Japanese civilization. The entire population had been indoctrinated (brainwashed) for a period of over 40 years. The old men, women, and children had the same mindset as the male warriors and were prepared to defend the homeland using bokkens (a wooden sword) or whatever else they had. Our soldiers would have been faced with the option of shooting the civilian population or being beat to death with sticks. Dropping the atomic bombs made the Japanese leadership realize they truly faced annihilation and prompted their capitulation. Even after the bombs were dropped, the senior military leaders refused to surrender, it just wasn't an option for them psychologically. If you ever see the film of civilians, including mothers with babies in their arms, jumping off the cliffs of Saipan rather than face capture by the Americans, you will better understand the depth of the brainwashing. The Japanese had convinced the civilian population that the Americans would rape their women and eat their children. Our soldiers would have faced a civilian population with the same fatalistic mindset. The Japanese knew better than any other culture that a fighter that has nothing to lose is the most dangerous.

Re: ? For war historians [Re: Paul Dobbins] #8285044
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by danvee
The Atomic bomb was not yet developed.


X2 - read up on the Manhattan Project.

Paul’s our local expert on all things nuclear, he’s worked on those things!……but can't really say much….lol


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