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Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316074
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Toleration like that will increase beer sales which would help the local tavern and maybe a local brewery, so more small business support. grin

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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
I think most of us would like to see “Main Street” return, and large corporations hurt that, but so does the automobile, interstate, and the internet, they all make it easier to leave the small town and shop.


I have trouble with then, as the government seems to bail them out .
None of those are really for the good of the people!
They seem more intent on the control of the population !


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316665
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I'm not talking about boycotting a company whose values don't align with yours... heck, imo that too is in line with the American dream....

What I am talking about is when did conservatives start buying into the liberal bs that all big businesses are bad?


Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316676
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm not talking about boycotting a company whose values don't align with yours... heck, imo that too is in line with the American dream....

What I am talking about is when did conservatives start buying into the liberal bs that all big businesses are bad?


I’m guessing it started when most of the big businesses started to out do each other in the DEI race.

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316688
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm not talking about boycotting a company whose values don't align with yours... heck, imo that too is in line with the American dream....

What I am talking about is when did conservatives start buying into the liberal bs that all big businesses are bad?


When they quit being conservatives. lol


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Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316711
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I think it was way before that. Lest start with the election of 1932. FDR's demonization of big business as "fat cats" and even earlier the characterization as "Robber Barrons". The depression and people losing the farms through foreclosure all set the stage for one party to believe in capitalism and the other to believe that it had the moral right to private property through taxation or outright confiscation and distribute it to those who created nothing.

One group in the world has pushed a particular point of view for quite a while.

"The whole gospel of Karl Marx can be summed up in a single sentence,” argued economics journalist Henry Hazlitt long ago:

“Hate the man who is better off than you are.”


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Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316739
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jealousy was recognized even by whoever wrote the ten commandments thousands of years ago as being a big problem

we can all be, or at least strive for, equal under the law, but equality every other way is a myth


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316743
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm not talking about boycotting a company whose values don't align with yours... heck, imo that too is in line with the American dream....

What I am talking about is when did conservatives start buying into the liberal bs that all big businesses are bad?


When said businesses started to be come multinational corporations whose only loyalty is to profits.

When Milton Friedman discussed the welfare state he wasn't only speaking to individual welfare.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316863
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Giant men can be giant dreamers without becoming tyrants. Andrew Carnegie wrote about the Gospel of Wealth and said or implied that men who die rich die disgraced. In his old days he spent more time giving his steel wealth away than he had spent making his fortune.

At any rate whether men use wealth for good or bad, none take it with them in the end. “A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.”

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: WI Outdoors] #8316957
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
You'd be surprised how many big businesses and wealthy support Democrats because the Democrats create lots of regulations that keep the little guy from starting up. Wipes out the competition. I don't shop at Walmart either. They put a lot of small businesses out of business. Do I hate them? No, It's their right to be in business. Do I support them? No. I vote with my wallet too.

I seldom shop Walmart, But they didnt put Ma and Pop out of business, Ma and pop not moving out of downtown soon enough or at all is what put the small guys out of business. As cool as downtown is, there is absolutly not enough parking for customers anymore let alone delivery trucks.

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8316983
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Exactly, and they couldn't compete against the scale of the big stores...how many people abandoned main street when a dept store or mall opened cause the prices were less, or the choices were better? been going on long before walmart, Hate walmart all you want , but they just did big better....

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: white17] #8317041
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Originally Posted by white17
r one party to believe in capitalism and the other to believe that it had the moral right to private property through taxation or outright confiscation and distribute it to those who created nothing.






Which party in modern times believes in capitalism?


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317045
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What is a corporate titan-do you mean an oligarch buying favorable govt influence at the expense of the working man?


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: Steven 49er] #8317085
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by white17
r one party to believe in capitalism and the other to believe that it had the moral right to private property through taxation or outright confiscation and distribute it to those who created nothing.






Which party in modern times believes in capitalism?





Is that a trick question ? laugh


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Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317098
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Nope

It's a reality of the modern economy.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317136
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When I moved here the county seat had 4 grocery stores. One of them had a custom butcher shop inside. Every town in this county had a grocery store and one of them was owned by a butcher. Several hardware stores that all sold guns and ammo. "Dime stores" too including a KMart and a Gibsons. Only one left is Walmart.

When Walmart first showed up Walmart had a great customer satisfaction policy and signs saying buy American. They would order stuff for you and tell you when it would arrive. Handguns, semi guns, ammo, nothing legal in the firearm world not sold. Gun dept had a catalog with every firearm I was aware of listed. Took only a few days to get one. They put everyone else out of business. Now look what it is. I dont know when but I think they are ripe to be gone like KMart and Gibsons. Sam Walton built it and now his store is gone except for the name.


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Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317238
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I'm not talking about boycotting a company whose values don't align with yours... heck, imo that too is in line with the American dream....

What I am talking about is when did conservatives start buying into the liberal bs that all big businesses are bad?


I think a lot of the problem is with the CEOs of big corporations. I personally don't have a problem with someone who builds a business and .makes vast sums of money because of it. I do have a problem with CEOs who had nothing to do with a building company mismanaging it into a joke, and then walking away with massive amounts of cash. All while demanding the peons at said company, give up wages and benefits.

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317254
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Small stores had great service and an owner usually helped you. He knew what he was talking about. Big box stores usually change employees often and many times are young people that can't help a guy very much.

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8317262
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Thinking about your clarification I’d say when big business went overseas to manufacture and the government lost out on all the tax revenue.

Re: Corporate Titans [Re: yotetrapper30] #8318762
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Something confuses me. Elon Musk makes electric vehicles and Trump has embraced him. However, Trump does not support electric vehicles. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I am confused.

Musk’s name is used to sell plug-in room heaters as an energy break through. BS. Defies laws of physics and he certainly knows so.

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