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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: snowy] #8326592
01/28/25 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by snowy
A flat % tax for everyone no more loops everyone owes x % on the money they make, no breaks for no one!!!



Isn’t that a break for people who make less money? They pay less total dollars than someone who makes more money. Why should the person who makes more have to pay more? Do they receive more benefit of what the tax money is used for?
Should be a flat dollar amount per person, if any.

Last edited by Average Joe; 01/28/25 11:32 PM.

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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326598
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We should go back to not having an income tax at all. Let the government survive off the money they steal from all the other taxes. And if they can’t, then they shouldn’t be doing whatever they are trying to do.


I applaud anyone who finds a way to stop the government from stealing their money.


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326606
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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: BandB] #8326619
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Originally Posted by BandB
I guess I can't understand the push for no taxes on tips. Why should that income be exempted and other income not be?


Do you think kids should pay taxes on the 20 you put in their b day card and the church for offering? It's a gift or reward.

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: Providence Farm] #8326623
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by BandB
I guess I can't understand the push for no taxes on tips. Why should that income be exempted and other income not be?


Do you think kids should pay taxes on the 20 you put in their b day card and the church for offering? It's a gift or reward.


Exactly.

Keith

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326626
01/29/25 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
It's always hard to get freedom back once it's taken from you. It's best to never lose it.

Keith

TRUE,,,however Trump is working on it.Did you see Trumps new Press Secretary tonight?She said Trump appointed D.O.G.E.(Department Of Government Economics)led by Elon Musk, found where we were going to spend like 50 million dollars to supply Gaza with condoms.WHAT.They stopped that right now.We are gonna be amazed at where our tax dollars have been going.GO TRUMP.


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: upstateNY] #8326629
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by KeithC
It's always hard to get freedom back once it's taken from you. It's best to never lose it.

Keith

TRUE,,,however Trump is working on it.Did you see Trumps new Press Secretary tonight?She said Trump appointed D.O.G.E.(Department Of Government Economics)led by Elon Musk, found where we were going to spend like 50 million dollars to supply Gaza with condoms.WHAT.They stopped that right now.We are gonna be amazed at where our tax dollars have been going.GO TRUMP.



Well that could be a good investment!! Will take a lot more money in bombs and bullets than what condoms cost to eliminate future problems.

Then again think about all $ our military industrial complex would miss out on. Lockheed, Rtx,& others in my portfolio will miss out on sales. we better not only cut off the condoms but kill off all the goats as well.

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326674
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They are Muslim. The condoms are so the males dont give each other AIDS. Aids is treatable but expensive. The U.N. would force us to pay for medicine. Condoms are cheaper. Would 50 million be enough?


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326700
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I support any tax cuts. We need them.

I however don't agree that starting with waiters and people who punch clocks is the way to go.

Recall, most in this country don't actually pay taxes. The rest of us are paying their way.

Overtime? WTH is that? Business owners (we're the ones who actually create jobs and get hammered on taxes) don't get paid overtime. Professionals don't get paid overtime yet many of us work way more than 40 hours a week. And pay a lot of taxes. Waiters don't create jobs.

I'm glad we're talking about tax cuts but we need massive tax reform. Not card tricks. But this is interesting nonetheless.

And, I'll buy a MAGA hat if he eliminates all welfare (including all disability welfare). He'd lose a big chunk of his base though....

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326701
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Originally Posted by KeithC
President Donald Trump is talking about abolishing Federal Income Tax.

I see benefits and disadvantages from doing so.

What do you think?

Keith


The man is insane.

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: Blaine County] #8326711
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I support any tax cuts. We need them.

I however don't agree that starting with waiters and people who punch clocks is the way to go.

Recall, most in this country don't actually pay taxes. The rest of us are paying their way.

Overtime? WTH is that? Business owners (we're the ones who actually create jobs and get hammered on taxes) don't get paid overtime. Professionals don't get paid overtime yet many of us work way more than 40 hours a week. And pay a lot of taxes. Waiters don't create jobs.

I'm glad we're talking about tax cuts but we need massive tax reform. Not card tricks. But this is interesting nonetheless.

And, I'll buy a MAGA hat if he eliminates all welfare (including all disability welfare). He'd lose a big chunk of his base though....



W2 employees don't get all the Wright offs and deductions as business owners and investors the tax codes favor.

Sure they are not creating jobs and are typically not financially well educated but our spending based economy business owners and professionals will greatly benefit from the typically spend every dime I get w2 employees dumping more money into the economy..

edit: yote traps single mom withb3 kids waiting tables gets multiple benefits. 1 She won't pay taxes on tips 2 will get more business with more people eating out that have more money to spend 3 could get some larger tips.


The business owner gets more business and happier employees making more money. Down street business get larger orders from the restaurant owner due to increased business. in turn every down street increases. This brings up gdp.

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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: Blaine County] #8326714
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I support any tax cuts. We need them.

I however don't agree that starting with waiters and people who punch clocks is the way to go.

Recall, most in this country don't actually pay taxes. The rest of us are paying their way.

Overtime? WTH is that? Business owners (we're the ones who actually create jobs and get hammered on taxes) don't get paid overtime. Professionals don't get paid overtime yet many of us work way more than 40 hours a week. And pay a lot of taxes. Waiters don't create jobs.

I'm glad we're talking about tax cuts but we need massive tax reform. Not card tricks. But this is interesting nonetheless.

And, I'll buy a MAGA hat if he eliminates all welfare (including all disability welfare). He'd lose a big chunk of his base though....


Business owners have a lot of ways to lower their tax liabilities that are not available to W2 employees. More can be done for business owners though. I really don't like having to match employees FICA deductions and state UC deductions. Especially since I am not eligible to collect unemployment compensation. Yes, I realize that is a state issue.

Also, Trump is working on eliminating entitlement programs. The left are wringing their hands and wailing so he must be doing something right.


Eh...wot?

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326721
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There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: No more US income tax. [Re: Tommyran] #8326775
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Originally Posted by Tommyran
Originally Posted by KeithC
President Donald Trump is talking about abolishing Federal Income Tax.

I see benefits and disadvantages from doing so.

What do you think?

Keith


The man is insane.

But, he's your president!!!!!


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326776
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I kind of like the idea of eliminating tax on tips, but can only imagine the ingenious ways that routine payments will shift to minimal payment for the product recieved with very generous tips for providing it to you.

Re: No more US income tax. [Re: danny clifton] #8326777
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
They are Muslim. The condoms are so the males dont give each other AIDS. Aids is treatable but expensive. The U.N. would force us to pay for medicine. Condoms are cheaper. Would 50 million be enough?

Maybe also to protect the Goats? grin


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326800
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My brother owns a restaurant in Florida,His waiters make 90,000.00 a year in tips!
Yes that's 90,000.00 a year!!!!!!!!!!. I been a mason my whole life and never,i mean
never made 90,000.00 a year. If they don't have to pay taxes on their wages,we should
not have to either.


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326803
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LOL!!! How many tip getters actually claim their tips as income?? Really My guess very few.


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Re: No more US income tax. [Re: KeithC] #8326805
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Fair Tax is a national sales tax, not based on income. No tax on tips or any other form of income.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/25


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Originally Posted by jarentz
My brother owns a restaurant in Florida,His waiters make 90,000.00 a year in tips!
Yes that's 90,000.00 a year!!!!!!!!!!. I been a mason my whole life and never,i mean
never made 90,000.00 a year. If they don't have to pay taxes on their wages,we should
not have to either.

Exactly!!! Taxes are out of control in this country. Gov is not responsible with the revenue they get and if properly run gov could run on way less and more efficient.


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