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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327105
01/29/25 04:43 PM
01/29/25 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Then Bruce if you feel a need to amend the constitution Start by getting Maine onboard.

I dont know how most european countries do it Randy Wieland, but a kid born to american military parents in germany, even on a u.s. military base are germans till parents file naturalization paperwork to make them american. its not automatic.

Just ship their arses out of the country


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327107
01/29/25 04:44 PM
01/29/25 04:44 PM
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I stand corrected. I found the EO - PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP that was not coming up when I have been browsing over the orders. Its on the White House Gov website.

Great moving forward, but I can see a huge issue with this in any prior case and/or the Supreme Court making a ruling if it were to be challenged.

"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth."


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Randy Wieland] #8327111
01/29/25 04:50 PM
01/29/25 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
I stand corrected. I found the EO - PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP that was not coming up when I have been browsing over the orders. Its on the White House Gov website.

Great moving forward, but I can see a huge issue with this in any prior case and/or the Supreme Court making a ruling if it were to be challenged.

"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth."


If you have questions about Trump's EO don't look on Google, go to the White House website
It will be difficult than what the media wants you to believe

Last edited by wetdog; 01/29/25 04:51 PM.
Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Randy Wieland] #8327112
01/29/25 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
I stand corrected. I found the EO - PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP that was not coming up when I have been browsing over the orders. Its on the White House Gov website.

Great moving forward, but I can see a huge issue with this in any prior case and/or the Supreme Court making a ruling if it were to be challenged.

"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth."


So they are not legal citizens then, even if they were born here.


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Dirt] #8327114
01/29/25 04:52 PM
01/29/25 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Many of the gun laws are passed through Congress. Not by EO.


Many gun laws are passed by Governors and state legislators.

Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Bruce T] #8327116
01/29/25 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
I stand corrected. I found the EO - PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP that was not coming up when I have been browsing over the orders. Its on the White House Gov website.

Great moving forward, but I can see a huge issue with this in any prior case and/or the Supreme Court making a ruling if it were to be challenged.

"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth."


So they are not legal citizens then, even if they were born here.


No it already got blocked by a court.


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327119
01/29/25 04:58 PM
01/29/25 04:58 PM
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Bet its going to court again


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Randy Wieland] #8327121
01/29/25 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
NOPE - the only exclusion is a child born to foreign diplomats. The 14th Amend is very clear and precise that ANY child born in the USA is a naturalized citizen, which also has rights. So this brings it back to the fact of fixing the problem before creating a lot of new ones. That's why Trump had a freaking mess the first term, Booting illegals out but couldn't deport a child (US Citizen). Amongst other laws, you have a disaster of splitting up families and creating (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) on a US citizen. Fix the loophole , then deal with the problem


Then we keep the child in foster care and send the parents back. Babies just don’t happen overnight, you want to keep your children, drop them where you know you can.

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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327127
01/29/25 05:12 PM
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just the kid is american does not mean it cant go with mom and dad.


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327128
01/29/25 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
just the kid is american does not mean it cant go with mom and dad.

Good point


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: Bruce T] #8327147
01/29/25 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by danny clifton
just the kid is american does not mean it cant go with mom and dad.

Good point



I just "googled" Trumps EO's for entertainment value. Dear Lord is there a lot of crazy people out there. Makes me appreciate more and more living WAY out in nowhere by WI standards. So after scanning over the lawsuit that temporarily blocks the birthright citizenship EO, it would appear that the ACLU shall be adopting all the alien babies. What could go wrong there???? Part I don't understand in the lawsuit is they are suing on behalf of Immigrants’ Rights. These are not immigrants. Immigrants applied for access to the US and come legally. We are blocking illegal aliens from getting access to being here and any benefits by baby bombing.


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327171
01/29/25 06:12 PM
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Over the last few years, the Chinese government spent hundreds of million of dollars sending pregnant Chinese women to the US and putting them in Chinese owned birthing hotels until they deivered their babies and received the babies' US citizenship documents. They then send the mother's and babies back to China, where the legally American babies are indoctrinated by the Chinese Communist Party. Because of their US citizenship, those babies will be able to own stuff non US citizens can't and take jobs, forbidden to foreign citizens. Their citizenship should be revoked to prevent them from being used against us.

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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327173
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The Manchurian Babies.


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: KeithC] #8327180
01/29/25 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Over the last few years, the Chinese government spent hundreds of million of dollars sending pregnant Chinese women to the US and putting them in Chinese owned birthing hotels until they deivered their babies and received the babies US citizenship documents. They then send the mother's and babies back to China, where the legally American babies are indoctrinated by the Chinese Communist Party. Because of their US citizenship, those babies will be able to own stuff non US citizens can't and take jobs, forbidden to foreign citizens. Their citizenship should be revoked to prevent them from being used against us.

Keith

Yep


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327196
01/29/25 06:54 PM
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Last year, Nick Shirley exposed on his interview channel that one of the largest migrant hotels in New York City only housed pregnant illegal aliens, who were kept their until a couple of months after giving birth. Most of the women waiting for anchor babes were illegal aliens from Venezuela, Honduras and Guatemala.

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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: danny clifton] #8327200
01/29/25 06:59 PM
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There will be plenty of consequences...just wait and see. In the short run .....check your tacos for spit! LOL


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Re: Consequence's of illegal immigration? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8327209
01/29/25 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
There will be plenty of consequences...just wait and see. In the short run .....check your tacos for spit! LOL

I would probably skip the Mexican restaurants for awhile grin


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