I thought that was just on canines?

So, you're freely admitting you pay no heed to your country's laws?

Or am I missing something???

Here in WA state with trapping al but gone, USDA trappers are thumping beavers everywhere. Beaver trapping numbers dropped some 90% after the passing of 713 in 1999. I'd be curious as to how many they take a year here.

Boco has an RTL

Lots of ADC guys doing big numbers on beaver.
USDA does very little in some countries.

Can not sell the pelt unless tanned ,,,, according to the law.

I am one of 3 volunteer co ordinators for our trappers councils nuisance beaver control program.
I have a list of around 200 trappers and their contact information as well as all the maps of their respective traplines.
When I get a complaint from one of our many clients I look at the maps find out which trapper owns the beaver that are causing the problems,contact the trapper and fill out the contract.
If the trapper cannot go he can designate his helper on the line to go.
Trappers councils in Ontario run nuisance beaver programs in many parts of the province with many in existance for 35+ years including ours.

Every gov. employee got the same email. I have seen the pro's and con's of this program for decade's and heard all sides.

Bottom line is you have to protect the infrastructure of this country or EVERYTHING goes to pot in a hurry!

Gov trappers are like private trappers, some do great some not so much.

At one time in my area i had 5 private guys operating! Seems to be enough work in the south for both. That said the 20.00 a head guy usually quits trapping after his easy 20.00 beaver are caught and you still have the same problem or worse you buy some 20.00 a head beaver that didn't even come from your problem spot.

Main thing for municipality's and such is if anything goes wrong it's on the gov. trapper not them, that makes them rest easier at night.

Right now with the lack of interest in trapping due to basically no fur market for southern fur and not everyone will jump off into a pit of cottonmouth's in 100 degree heat along with never ending disease's popping up all over, go check the price of eggs, you will always have a ws program in some form or fashion.

Plus the fact unlike most gov. programs this one gets paid to do the work so is actually making the gov. money not spending taxpayer dollars on the trapper. Higher up tax funded workers/office's might take a hit but down at the lower level where the trapper is that won't be the case.

Doesn't matter. as long as it's male.

So if the trapper "owns" the beaver, are they liable for damages they do? If the Beavers plug a culvert and wash out a section of railroad is the trapper liable then for not removing them?

The 20 dollar a head beaver guy is probably the same guy rebuilding pickup engines for 1500 in his grampas barn. Watched a guy quite a few years ago put a broken piston in an engine he was building for his brother to race with. The skirt below the pin for the connecting rod was broke off. The top of it and the ring grooves were good. "Mechanic " said it will be fine as I watched him stick it in a cylinder. Brother tore the motor down as it did not get through the first race. Saw the broken piston. They still don't talk to each other. "Mechanic" is still getting work at his house and folks still are talking about stuff he has done.

Not everybody working out of their own shop is incompetent or lazy. Go to a dealer, pay through the nose and still deal with shady characters sometimes. Mechanics at the dealer can be great or crooks, Either way you pay through the nose. You might get experience and you might not. You get whoever they assign.

I take my stuff to the shop where its not cheap, still cheaper than a dealer, but I dont get lied to and when they call to tell me its fixed it really is.

Oh my angry lil french fry arent you? Calm down lil feller no ones tryin to stretch your big beaver

No only if you own the land would you be liable for damages downstream to infrastructure or fish habitat.

Ok, so if I owned 40 hectares up there can I trap it or do the Beaver belong to whoever has that land as part of their RTL? I don't know all the in's and out's of regulated traplines.

DEI for traplines.

There was a court case here not long ago.A landowner took a trappers traps that were set at a beaverhouse in the water on a creek going thru his land.The law was clear,if the trapper can acess by water from his line he owns the beaver(counted on his quota)
There is private land within the boundaries of some traplines close to towns,
A trapper owns the beaver if he can acess the pond,lake or river by a navigable waterway from his RTL
I have one trapline with some private land,any of the landowners I have met have offered if I wanted to trap on their land I could.
I told them if they ever have a problem I would take care of it in fur season but other than that I wont trap on private land.
One guy that moved onto a place became a good friend.He is a gunsmith and he had 3 large rotwieler dogs that mostly stayed on his property.I pulled my wolfsnare jackpot that was within wandering range of his dogs out of courtesy.
That was 3 years ago.His dogs got eaten by wolves and he didnt want to get anymore
Steve is a good guy and has fixed a couple guns for me.
I try to get along with everybody and go out of my way to let new people know who I am and what I do.I want to know if they have free roaming pets and I let them know if I am doing nuisance work nearby so they can watch their dogs until I am done.
I meet some of people from down south that have bought land up here to get away from the ratrace.They mostly just want to be left alone and do whatever they do.They like it here cause they like privacy.
I have made friends with all I have met so far.

I take my stuff to the shop where its not cheap, still cheaper than a dealer, but I dont get lied to and when they call to tell me its fixed it really is.

Im lucky Danny, got a mechanic shop not far from the house that does great work and very reasonable rates. I can send Shelly over there and if something needs fixed they will tell her and I don't have to second guess if they just told her that cause she's a woman.

Dealership rates are insane!

You have to give permission to trap on your property. The registered lines in the southern part of Ontario will have blocks of privately owned land interspersed with Crown Land(Public land). When you get the registered trapline you only have permission to trap the Crown Land and Do Not have permission to enter private property to access Crown land. For example below is a partial map of one RTL, White and yellow are crown land and you have exclusive rights to trap it. Grey is private and you cannot trap or access that property. Alot of the lakes in the Southern part of the province, the shoreline is privately owned. They have been sold for cottages/houses.

Thank you! That clearly answered my question.

Now that we have Canada all figured out, how do we get USDA out of competition with private contractors for beaver management in the States?

Just asked them if they said YES or NO to their termination letter.