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Presidential pardons may backfire #8329453
02/01/25 11:15 AM
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I read that a person who hasn't been convicted of a crime cannot be pardoned yet the past POTUS pardoned all of his family including the dog with non of them being convicted
Makes sense. This could be interesting. Of course this came from social media so who knows.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329456
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Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: yotetrapper30] #8329469
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....

Dodging the draft is a felony

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: wetdog] #8329474
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....

Dodging the draft is a felony

There isn't a draft anymore?

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329475
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When there was a draft

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: yotetrapper30] #8329478
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....

If your referring to the Donald, he didn't dodge the draft. They've proven that already. Don't believe the media all the time.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329484
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Ford Pardoned Nixon in the 70's and he had not been indicted. Just more hot air from people. The left is screaming about Trump and the right screaming about Biden. What Biden did pardoning people not charged has precedent.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329516
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Giving family members a pardon who haven't been indicted or convicted of any crime tells me all I need to know.

From what I understand, the issue is if they are pardoned, they can still be subpoenaed to appear before congress. However, after accepting the pardon they cannot plead the fifth.

But none of them on the R side have the huevos to convict anyone or put anyone in jail. It will all be a dog and pony show and nothing will be done except the wasting of more tax payer dollars.

Two tier justice system. No one wants to change that because they all have mud on their hands.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329558
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Biden lied and pardoned his family. Very bad.

Trump pardoned J6 trash that assaulted cops. Worse.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Blaine County] #8329559
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Biden lied and pardoned his family. Very bad.

Trump pardoned J6 trash that assaulted cops. Worse.

Was actually BLM trash that did that.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Blaine County] #8329591
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Biden lied and pardoned his family. Very bad.

Trump pardoned J6 trash that assaulted cops. Worse.

Lol. You're not too bright to or being an attorney.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Blaine County] #8329593
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Biden lied and pardoned his family. Very bad.

Trump pardoned J6 trash that assaulted cops. Worse.



So you know all the crimes Bidens family committed he pardoned them for or is it in your mind a few guys roughing up a couple cops out of thousands in a protest is the worst thing ever? That cops are not touchable and that's is the worst crime possible?

The worst thing jan 6 is a black cop shot an unarmed white woman safety from cover showing no threat of bodily harm to him and walked.

Blm peaceful protest beat cops raped and robed destroyed blocks police station and vehicles. talke about double standards. cops pick their job and the districts they work in.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: WI Outdoors] #8329600
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Biden lied and pardoned his family. Very bad.

Trump pardoned J6 trash that assaulted cops. Worse.

Lol. You're not too bright to or being an attorney.

It was proven to be BLM people that was behind all the problems,not the people protesting peacefully.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: WI Outdoors] #8329626
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....

If your referring to the Donald, he didn't dodge the draft. They've proven that already. Don't believe the media all the time.


I'm not. Trump wasn't drafted due to a medical condition.

I'm referring to Jimmy Carter's blanket pardon of anyone who DID actually dodge the draft.

It was, like Biden's pardons, an example of pardoning people who had never been convicted of.... or even indicted on... a crime.....


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329630
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Feds orchestrated and were complicit in Jan 6th. No evidence, all videos were destroyed by by dirty feds. No evidence-No crime. Let them ALL out, they paid their dues.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: yotetrapper30] #8329636
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Of course people who haven't been convicted of a crime can be pardoned.

Just google up draft dodgers.....

When the draft dodgers went to Canada, that's when that country started to go downhill fast!


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8329647
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Accepting a pardon doesn't require a person to explicitly admit that they're guilty. But, per the 1915 SCOTUS case Burdick vs United States, a pardon implies guilt, and accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. So that would include actual draft dodgers, Hunter Biden, and the J6ers.

That case didn't really talk about preemptive pardons, though. So it's unclear whether, legally speaking, a preemptive pardon implies guilt. Of course it implies guilt to anyone with common sense, though.

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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8330794
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Just remember, a Presidential pardon only applies to federal crimes. It does not exempt any person from state charges or convictions. And most states' laws mirror federal law.


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Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8330837
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Draft dodgers were criminals and were on a list to be prosecuted if they ever tried to get a federal job. Those pardons eliminated that list.

Re: Presidential pardons may backfire [Re: Gary Benson] #8330875
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Read the US Constitution regarding the pardon powers of the President. No conviction required. I had heard the same thing and it may be true in other situations, governors perhaps, but not for the President.

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