Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Anyone know what the executive order actually said?
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Trump's 2A Executive Order Protecting Second Amendment Rights EXECUTIVE ORDER February 7, 2025 By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose. The Second Amendment is an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty. It has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms since the founding of our great Nation. Because it is foundational to maintaining all other rights held by Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed. Sec. 2. Plan of Action. (a) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General shall examine all orders, regulations, guidance, plans, international agreements, and other actions of executive departments and agencies (agencies) to assess any ongoing infringements of the Second Amendment rights of our citizens, and present a proposed plan of action to the President, through the Domestic Policy Advisor, to protect the Second Amendment rights of all Americans. (b) In developing such proposed plan of action, the Attorney General shall review, at a minimum: (i) All Presidential and agencies’ actions from January 2021 through January 2025 that purport to promote safety but may have impinged on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens; (ii) Rules promulgated by the Department of Justice, including by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, from January 2021 through January 2025 pertaining to firearms and/or Federal firearms licensees; (iii) Agencies’ plans, orders, and actions regarding the so-called “enhanced regulatory enforcement policy” pertaining to firearms and/or Federal firearms licensees; (iv) Reports and related documents issued by the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention; (v) The positions taken by the United States in any and all ongoing and potential litigation that affects or could affect the ability of Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights; (vi) Agencies’ classifications of firearms and ammunition; and (vii) The processing of applications to make, manufacture, transfer, or export firearms. Sec. 3. Implementation. Upon submission of the proposed plan of action described in section 2 of this order, the Attorney General shall work with the Domestic Policy Advisor to finalize the plan of action and establish a process for implementation. Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals. (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Anyone know what the executive order actually said? Nothing of importance. It's just for show. The AG has to review a bunch of stuff to see if it violates the 2a, and present a plan of action to the president. But, and this is the important part, only as far back as January 2021. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. I'd be more impressed if it said the AG had to review gun laws back to 1934
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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I would be impressed if regulatory agencies did not have the ability to create what is in fact law called regulation. That will require a new law. Royal decrees are only good so long as the king wants them to be.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Anyone know what the executive order actually said? Nothing of importance. It's just for show. The AG has to review a bunch of stuff to see if it violates the 2a, and present a plan of action to the president. But, and this is the important part, only as far back as January 2021. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. I'd be more impressed if it said the AG had to review gun laws back to 1934 A move in the right direction is better than no move at all, and certainly better than a move in the wrong direction. Everything can't be fixed at once. Base your expectations on reality and you'll be a happier person. Ol' dad
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Anyone know what the executive order actually said? Nothing of importance. It's just for show. The AG has to review a bunch of stuff to see if it violates the 2a, and present a plan of action to the president. But, and this is the important part, only as far back as January 2021. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. I'd be more impressed if it said the AG had to review gun laws back to 1934 As the GOA states, he's after Biden's gun control bill. They seem to like his approach to reversing the Bipartisan bill. Some people are never happy.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Nothing of importance. It's just for show. The AG has to review a bunch of stuff to see if it violates the 2a, and present a plan of action to the president. But, and this is the important part, only as far back as January 2021. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. I'd be more impressed if it said the AG had to review gun laws back to 1934
A move in the right direction is better than no move at all, and certainly better than a move in the wrong direction. Everything can't be fixed at once. Base your expectations on reality and you'll be a happier person. Ol' dad The opposite of terrible isn't, by default, awesome. Everything can't be fixed at once, but there's no reason not to expect that, when a supposedly pro-2a politician says "The Second Amendment is an indispensable safeguard of security and liberty. It has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms since the founding of our great Nation. Because it is foundational to maintaining all other rights held by Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed.", that they'd take a look at all the major violations of the 2nd amendment, and not just the last 4 years.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Some people are never happy.  spot on. I was going to post a link to the NRA about this but thought, nope, they'll just complain about the NRA and posting a link to the GOA they all like will make them think. What was I thinking? 
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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If your side had won this past November, we’d all be up a creek without a paddle right now…. Just sayin, take a win once in a while and quit with the hatred of DJT. He may not be perfect, but at least he’s trying to right the ship a bit. Better than the alternative I say.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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If your side had won this past November, we’d all be up a creek without a paddle right now…. Just sayin, take a win once in a while and quit with the hatred of DJT. He may not be perfect, but at least he’s trying to right the ship a bit. Better than the alternative I say. My side is the side that says repeal all gun laws, and don't enforce existing gun laws, based on their being unconstitutional, while the laws on the books are in the process of being repealed.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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I was going to post a link to the NRA about this but thought, nope, they'll just complain about the NRA and posting a link to the GOA they all like will make them think. What was I thinking?  Again, spot on. They don’t offer any real alternatives, just want everyone to wallow in their misery with them.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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Nothing of importance. It's just for show. The AG has to review a bunch of stuff to see if it violates the 2a, and present a plan of action to the president. But, and this is the important part, only as far back as January 2021. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. I'd be more impressed if it said the AG had to review gun laws back to 1934 Did you read the full text of the executive order I posted above? Nowhere in that order does it state "only as far back as January 2021." You are paraphrasing to bolster the point you are trying to make. What it actually says (in part but verbatim): (b) In developing such proposed plan of action, the Attorney General shall review, at a minimum: (i) All Presidential and agencies’ actions from January 2021 through January 2025 that purport to promote safety but may have impinged on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens; (ii) Rules promulgated by the Department of Justice, including by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, from January 2021 through January 2025 pertaining to firearms and/or Federal firearms licensees; (v) The positions taken by the United States in any and all ongoing and potential litigation that affects or could affect the ability of Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights; (vi) Agencies’ classifications of firearms and ammunition; and (vii) The processing of applications to make, manufacture, transfer, or export firearms. Apparently, any 2a violations before January 2021 don't matter. This executive order is about more than the last four years. Even if what you claim were true, do you really consider rolling back four years worth of 2A infringements and the very real possibility of the elimination of the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention "nothing of importance" and "just for show?"
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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I dont believe it was just for show. It was a declaration of Trumps firearm policy. It is a good thing. We need to remember it is temporary. Only in force so long as those in agreement are in office. We need to change the law. I am hopeful that will come too. The president, as much as they all want to be, are not kings. Those royal decrees are not law or binding to legislatures or future administrations.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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National decrees are generalities at best. It is up to the affected agencies to establish rules and procedures, within the confines of existing laws and regulations. States also have their own ideas, based on public safety, population, and legislated desires. Just because the president wants it, doesn’t mean it’ll happen tomorrow. And even then, there will be federal and state lawsuits, along with judicial decrees that will stop the presidential decrees until every challenge has been satisfied.
Removing birthright citizenship is an example. The courts have stopped it (for now). Or the wholesale removal of illegal immigrants who have committed no crimes.
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Re: Still winning, 2a order.
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My side is the side that says repeal all gun laws, and don't enforce existing gun laws, based on their being unconstitutional, while the laws on the books are in the process of being repealed.
I'm 100% in agreement with that. However , I'll take what I can get for now and continue the fight. Google 'Neal Knox' A true hardcore , no compromise 2A supporter. Too bad he is no longer with us , but his son is continuing his work to a degree.
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